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30 "other" greatest bands, pt 3 (11-15)

posted December 19, 2006 - 7:43pm
30 "other" greatest bands, pt 3 (11-15)

getting the hang of this so far? see... not only do i have the automatic argument-maker of each individual band (trust me... somebody somewhere is gonna have an issue with every band on this list. somebody somewhere thinks every one of these bands SUCK!!) & they might be inclined to join xomba just to tell me so...

right, ghostfaceslacker? you should head over to the sports section & join the gang hyping yer ravens to make the superbowl...

& on we go to 11-15...

11. the jimi hendrix experience
formed, 1966 in london.
debut: are you experienced?, 1967
disbanded: 1969
frontman: jimi hendrix
classic lineup: jimi hendrix, guitar; noel redding, bass; mitch mitchell, drums
drunk & dead young: jimi hendrix, od, age 27.
breakthrough album: are you experinced?
definitive album: electric ladyland
my fave album: axis: bold as love
best known song: voodoo chile (slight return)
best song: if 6 was 9
little known connection: mitchell beat out his fellow-auditioner aynsley dunbar for the drummer spot by a coin-toss. dunbar (who was in john mayall's bluesbreakers w/ eric clapton at the time), went on to join frank zappa's first mothers of invention lineup, splitting w/ flo & eddie. later, he joined journey... splitting when steve perry joined & took the group in a new direction. he was also the drummer in the revised jefferson STARSHIP in the late 1970s & in whitesnake when they finally hit big in the 1980s.

12. the kinks
formed, 1963 in london (as the ravens)
debut: the kinks, 1964 (aka "you really got me")
frontman: ray davies
classic lineup: ray & dave davies, guitar; peter quaife, bass; mick avory, drums
debate: standard sibling rivalry.
breakthrough album: the kinks
deninitive album: lola vs. powerman & the money-go-round
my fave album: something else by the kinks
last GREAT album: muswell hillbillies
last GOOD album: low budget
best known song: lola
best song: tricky... but i'll take "(wish i could fly like) superman" over 15 years' worth of contenders.
little known connection: avory was the drummer in the original 1962 lineup of the rolling stones, but he quit to join the ravens & was replaced by charlie watts.
the only band you'll find on my list of under-rated AND greatest bands... the kinks were the ONLY british invasion band still recording, touring & evolving by the 1980s. sure, the stones eventually got back together (as did the who & others), but in the 1980s only the kinks remained of the 1960s invasion.

13. KISS
formed, 1973 in new york city
debut: KISS, 1974
frontmen: stanley/simmons
classic lineup: paul "star child" stanley & "space" ace frehley, guitars; gene "the demon" simmons, bass; peter "the cat" criss, drums
debate: makeup or no makeup (it's not much of a debate THESE days... but at the time of "lick it up" & "animalize"... it ripped families apart!)
died young: eric carr, cancer, age 41.
breakthrough album: dressed to kill
definitive album: destroyer (over alive!, but just...)
my fave album: KISS
last GREAT album: sadly... KISS never made a GREAT album
last GOOD album: creatures of the night
best known song: rock & roll all night
best song: strutter
little known connections: the first person to appear on a KISS record who wasn't a member of KISS was drummer anton fig, who sessioned for peter criss on dynasty (criss would be tossed from the band for being drunk & unreliable soon thereafter). fig went on to play in frehley's comet, ace's 1980s band started up when the space ace was also ejected from the group for drinking & carrying on. those of you who recognize the name might recognize anton fig as being the drummer of david letterman's house band. & while ace frehley is & will always be the KISS lead guitarist... the position was actually held longer by his replacement, bruce kulick.

14. led zeppelin
formed, 1968 in london (as the new yardbirds)
debut: led zeppelin, 1969
disbanded: 1982
frontmen: plant/page
classic lineup: robert plant, vocals/harmonica; jimmy page, guitar; john paul jones, bass; john bonham, drums.
debate: greatest band ever?
drunk & dead young: john bonham, age 32.
breakthrough album: led zeppelin
defninitive album: the fourth one... zoso or zofo or led zeppelin iv or untitled or whatever you'd like to call it.
my fave album: how the west was won
last GREAT album: physical graffiti
last GOOD album: in through the out door
back from the dead: plant/page... why wasn't john paul jones invited?
best known song: stairway to heaven
best song: when the levee breaks
little known connections: page & jones met while sessioning for donovan. at the time... page was in deep shit trying to come up with a band to go with his sudden ownership of the rights to the yardbirds name & the tour that the rest of the group had quit rather than play... plant was brought in & suggested the drummer from his previous band (band of joy, it was called)... john bonham. bonham took the gig reluctantly, 'cause several other acts were offering more money.

15. motorhead
formed, 1975 in london.
debut: motorhead, 1977 [an earlier album, with their first guitarist, had been rejected in 1975 & was eventually released as "on parole" in 1979]
frontman: ian "lemmy" kilmister
classic lineup: fast eddie clarke, guitar; lemmy kilmister, bass; philthy animal taylor, drums
debate: YOU wanna argue with lemmy?
breakthrough album: ace of spades
definitive album: ace of spades
my fave album: 1916
last GREAT album: 1916
last GOOD album: overnight sensation
best known song: ace of spades
best song: ace of spades
little known connections: as many of you know... lemmy was kicked out of prog-rock supergroup hawkwind over a disagreement about the contents of his luggage (it's true!). he named his new band after the last song he wrote for the old band. fast eddie clarke spent the 1980s in an under-rated metal band called fastway.


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I compared KISS to Sabbath

I compared KISS to Sabbath only to make a point. They're a caricature of what a heavy metal band should be, and Sabbath IS what a heavy metal band should be. Similarly, I noted the Beatles and the MonkeEs. For all that they are overrated, the Beatles were still a good rock band, and the Monkees are a characature of a good rock band. Similarly, from the look of your picture, I'd note Venom and Emperor. Venom being a characature of what a black metal band should be, and Emperor being its ultimate embodiment.(Yes, I know that venom pre-dated black metal's roots and the genre takes its name FROM a Venom album, but the analogy still holds because Venom were playing a role, Emperor have 2 drummers in prison...or is one of them back out...whatever though, you get it) "Thank you for driving carefully through the villiage." That's what the sign says.

Black Sabbath ceased to be

Black Sabbath ceased to be Black Sabbath when they booted Ozzy. They were forever thereafter just BS. Please, no one get on my case about how great Dio was, I've tried--REALLY TRIED--to like Dio, I just...I can't...I'm sorry... "Thank you for driving carefully through the villiage." That's what the sign says.

apples & oranges

now WAIT! just wait a god-damn minute here! if any of you bother to read through these things before stampeding down here to start bitching at me about my love of KISS, then you'd see that yer arguing with yerselves about sh!t i never said! point the first: i've already made clear that KISS isn't on this list instead of black sabbath. DEEP PURPLE is on this list instead of black sabbath. KISS is also on the list, but that's got nothing to do with anything. hell, maybe i should drop aerosmith to make room for sabbath. maybe i should drop the pogues to make room for sabbath. maybe you should just make up a list of your OWN of bands that should have made my 30 "other" greatest bands list but didn't. & if you wanna start defending the garbage that tony iommi & crew cranked out in the 1980s (& you don't... do you?), then hold it up against the crap that deep purple cranked out during the near decade-long run when NONE of the original band members were around. but come on... "fairies wear boots?" i'll say no more. & while vol 4 has the best sabbath song ("supernova"), it's also got a whole lotta instrumental noodling. & i got no time for that. point the 2nd: READ THE DAMN KISS WRITE-UP!! READ MY LAST REPLY!! I'VE ALREADY MADE IT CLEAR THAT KISS NEVER MADE A GREAT RECORD! they did, however, crank out several times as many rawk radio standards as did sabbath. they did so for over three decades (while sabbath's "standards" came out in less than one). & they are still the greatest self-promoters of all time. lunch boxes? comic books? action figures? KISS meets the phantom of the park? KISS day in midland america? no band has ever dominated the music industry like KISS has. their time is past, perhaps, & their farewell tour is dragging on longer than the who's, perhaps, but they rewrote all the books on how to be a rock band. you start by claiming to be the greatest band in the world & then you do whatever it takes to live up to your own hyperbole. & please GOD, don't get me started on stephen king. the man cranked out novels as if he was paid by the inch. & has never attempted to make himself out to be anything other than a two-bit hack whose books just sell a little better than anyone else's. if you wanna start calling that art, then i believe mr bruckheimer would like to have a word with you. i'm not here to debate the merits of art vs. commerce. but nearly two decades ago, gene simmons told a muchmusic interviewer that any musician who said he was in the business to make a difference was lying. "it's chicks," he said, "that's why we're all here." i believed it then, i believe it now. this new-fangled crap being foisted on impressionable youth by the decembrists or panic! at the disco is nothing more than the newest way to score with chicks & become famous. they'll say otherwise, but only because people have this aversion to honesty from their entertainers.

or maybe not...

honest?

that's like saying stephen king writes to make money, get fame and have sex... with his wife. =p if that's the ONLY reason kiss make records, then it's no wonder that so much of their output SUCKS. you can name three sabbath albums that rock all the way thru (i'd add volume four but we're just splitting hairs now), but can you name ANY kiss album that rocks all the way thru? i'm sorry but how can anyone compare kiss to sabbath? one is heavy, intelligent, brutal, lyrical and beautiful. the other is disco heavy metal, a band who is mainly artless, ted nugent w/ some make-up. now don't get me wrong, i like plenty of kiss songs, but they're very popcorn. they do what they do very well. but what they do is a snack, not a meal. they aren't artists, and their music isn't art. that's fine to a point, but you can't compare non-art to art. and talking about later-period sabbath (or kiss, or rolling stones) is misleading and useless. compare the best to the best, not the worst to the worst, certainly not when talking about dinosaurs that should have been shot and put out of their misery long ago.

you're dissing lick it up???

dude. i'll give you this. if you read my write-up, you'll note that i refused to name a single KISS album as "great". it's sad, given the obscene number of great KISS songs... but every album has some piece o' shit like "love theme from KISS", "i still love you", or... gawd, there's dozens of shitty KISS songs. but even the mighty sabbath only had three albums that can be called "great": black sabbath, paranoid & masters of reality. even their most underappreciated album, sabotage, only had one side of greatness. "hole in the sky" & "megalomania" aside, the rest of the record ain't much. but for those of us who love & even (dare i say it) RESPECT stanley/simmons for cranking out great songs longer than even the mighty lennon/mccartney or jagger/richards, their 80s output stands up against their 70s output. hell, even their 90s output stands up against the shit cranked out in the same decade by the stones (or sabbath... or deep purple, for that matter). i left the KISS army in 1983 because they took the makeup off. i was 12; i felt betrayed & i was just beginning a lifetime of futile moral stands. but i'll take lick it up or animalize over songs from the elder or unmasked any day of the week. & to my knowledge, KISS is the only band who refuses to claim any motivation beyond money & women & fame. & for my money, that makes them the most honest band in rock history if nothing else.

or maybe not...

dissing sabbath but kissing kiss?

how can you talk about the late 80s output of sabbath yet not say the exact same thing about kiss? if you enjoyed the song "lick it up" then you need to have your ears examined. and frankly, sabbath have made far more insanely AWESOME albums than kiss ever have or ever will.

it's monkeEs!!

damn straight i like the monkees! but you'll notice i didn't have THEM on my 5 greatest bands list. & since you had the beatles down as the most over-rated band in music history, i fail to see how you can now hold them as a "legitimate" version over any other band. KISS didn't beat out sabbath, they just made the cut & sabbath didn't. you got a problem with that, then you've clearly never heard "the headless cross" or any of the slew of gawd-awful records that tony iommi & crew cranked out in the 1980s in an attempt to compete with the solo successes of ozzy & dio. in terms of late-60s british hard rock bands that helped pave the way for the genesis of "heavy metal", it was DEEP PURPLE who took black sabbath's spot. & that's only because "smoke on the water" is the hardest guitar riff this side of anything angus young wrote. KISS is on the list because there has never been a band who so dominated the music industry as they did in the 1970s. they came out of the same noo yawk punk-kabuki scene as produced the ramones & blondie & the talking heads & television... & within five years, based purely on a recorded version of their live show, they had left all their peers sitting as pinpricks in their rear-view mirror. say what you will about the years between the departure & return of space ace & the cat... the KISS army will live forever. & KISS will always be able to back up their contention that they are the greatest band in KISStory. besides, i'm far more terrified of gene simmons as satan himself than ozzy osbourne. have you SEEN their reality shows?

or maybe not...

KISS beat out sabbath??

KISS beat out sabbath?? KISS is to sabbath what the monkeys are to the beatles! Oh wait, you like the monkeys, right? cary on with your ramblings... "Thank you for driving carefully through the villiage." That's what the sign says.

no way!

best known song for hendrix is voodoo chile?! um, how about "all along the watchtower," or better yet "PURPLE HAZE." =p ... and the kinks have three really big hits "lola," "all day" and "you really got me"

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