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Atheism - You Are Here...

posted July 31, 2008 - 10:50pm
Atheism - You Are Here...

A poser from my thoughts as I seek enlightenment on the ways of the common atheist.

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Many here have professed themselves to be atheists. I am hopeful you are willing to weigh in on how you came to your current state of being?< p>

My first query is this.
Is atheism:
- a lazy mans choice?
- an analytical mans choice?
- a confused mans choice?
- a pummeled mans choice?
- an angry mans choice?
- a justified mans choice?
- by proxy?
- a choice found some other way than the above?

(you feminists can just assume the PC substitution of "person" for "man".)

To be more clear I will define what I am trying to mean by each of my bullet points.

A lazy mans choice: Essentially meaning that with the veritable cornucopia of organized religions and the many concepts, that one elects to choose atheism rather than attempt to qualify any of the possible religions known.

An analytical mans choice: In this case you examine what is tangible, decide the the corporeal world is pretty much it, and hell is reserved for those who bother to believe in it.

A confused mans choice: Perhaps you tried to figure out the "worldly gaggle" of religious ways and grew confused. So, eventually out of desperation you write them all off and opt for atheism.

A pummeled mans choice: Here I am suggesting you started out in an organized faith e.g. Catholicism, and slowly over time you were force fed BS doctrine and manipulated by guilt or worse, and once you were no longer subject to this torture, you happily claimed atheism rather than face any other prospect of organized religion and the possible pain it could inflict.

An angry mans choice: You used to believe in God, but when things got hard or you suffered extreme loss, you just couldn't believe that God would let that happen to you, so, naturally you blame God that His will rather than yours was done. You turn away, disengage, and claim atheism unless things go your way...

A justified mans choice: Religious conviction clearly involves loss and sacrifice in many of it's forms. Rather than deal with sinfulness, guilt and all that comes with it. It makes perfectly good sense to claim atheism, it is the "OutBack" of religious philosophy "No Rule Just Right!". No rules = no guilt, no guilt means you can do what ever you want within the constructs of mans laws. So, as long as it feels good and isn't illegal it is fair game. (This would be the most carnal choice as it is driven by ones lusts in life.)

By proxy: Your just a lemming. Your parents or circle of friends are atheists, and therefore you are. Hey it doesn't take much conviction to be a poser in any of the religions and that would also stand to be equally true of atheism.

Other: This is my favorite concept, because it is truly one that I can not conceive by myself at this time. I might think of other things eventually, but this is a passing thought written as I thought of it. So, 20 minutes or so is limiting on my ability to brain storm. Besides I don't have the time to dedicate to deeper more complex thoughts of how or why? So, if you are answering under this ideal, I am even more anxious to read about your experiences and how you have come to where you are today. If you are responding with insight under one of the others, your words are worth nothing less, for I really want to hear about your path to where you are.

I hope you will all bring a bit more of understanding on this topic.

FreeCracker4Jack

PS - Check your anger at the door... ;)


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SaraJoy

I was in Israel in 1972-73, and was absolutely impresses. At the time, my Christian faith base was not defined, as a matter of fact, I came from a country where Israel was looked as an enemy of mankind. But the time I spent there was the best time of my life. Never did I meet more hospitable people. I was there alone, didn't have a job, no money, no friends, no relatives, yet I never lacked anything. The people I knew were almost fighting amongst them for the "privilege" to host me and feed me. I traveled the whole country and never paid a penny due to the amicability of anyone I met while hitchhiking. Amazing people and a wonderful country.

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Interesting... :)

Nothing like a good ole' discussion on Religion to get everyone discussing... :) I think the most important thing is do you Love? If people put as much emphasis on Love as they do who's right and who's wrong, this world would be a far better place. Love is what ultimately matters. lmorovan -- When were you in Israel? I went about 3 years ago and LOVED every second of it. It's a lot prettier and technological than I ever knew it was. I was also surprised at the amount of genuine hospitality and care towards others. Hope to go back some day.

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Free Cracker 4 Jack

I was born, raised and educated in a communist country. I left at the age of 18. All my education was received in the public school system of atheistic communism, with the best of the atheistic minds works and writings. It was my "bread and water" for 18 years, until I was able to defect. Tho, I had a deep knowledge of the workings and philosophies of atheistic communism, I was somewhat curious about whether everything I was being fed since birth was actually valid and true. The older generation which has lived before the imposing of the communist regime was still practicing religious acts, restricted by the system, of course, but there was something in it that raised my curiosity. At first, for many years, I was mostly ridiculing them and laughing at their "stupid and illogical" practices and beliefs. Religion was a waste of time and energy to me and I was a strong supporter of evolution theory and the independence of mankind from any "mythological" supernatural intervention. Ironically, when I had the first chance to flee and defect from the system, it was in... Israel.

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Passion for right is good...

Although your post is not truly a slam, what my main focus or I should my primary reason to write a friendly reminder was to try to help keep everyone focused on the requested topic. "To share how they have come to Atheism." So, Imorovan's preachy post and others responses to it are definitely steering away from what I had hoped for. I am trying to be a "diligent host" to this article in prompting to keep posts on track. But I have no authority other than my written requests. So, do as you must. FreeCracker4Jack Would you like to earn money writing similar articles? CLICK ME! Read more great articles: http://www.xomba.com/xombyte/free_cracker_4_jack?p

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Sorry,

Sorry, FreeCracker4Jack...but I don't see where I have made any "serious slams." If you consider pointing out errors a "slam," then perhaps I am guilty. But that's quite a stretch. I will continue to challenge people's perceptions on what they believe and try to correct their mistakes in fact and in logic. If that gets me in trouble with the Xomba administrators, so be it. But I will not agree to things that are wrong and I will not let people argue dishonestly if I can help it. And this is not the first time Imorovan has claimed to have been "personally attacked" when it has not happened. *If you're interested in reading my articles, Click Here.

kjhack / publius / Imorovan & Others - Please

Gentlemen, Each of you is capable of throwing some pretty serious slams to the another's passionate argument. At this time I am asking you to refrain from further doing so to each other. You all have raised some beautiful points and the last thing anyone should want would be to have all your efforts result in a deleted/banned comments section. Please continue to share on the topic of how you came to your current values. Sincerely, FreeCracker4Jack Would you like to earn money writing similar articles? CLICK ME! Read more great articles: http://www.xomba.com/xombyte/free_cracker_4_jack?p

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Imorvan

You mentioned that you were an atheist prior to your current state of being. Would you mind sharing how you came into that prior state? Anyone else who is not currently an atheist, but was at one point, please feel free to contribute as well. As you will still be speaking from your experience. FreeCracker4Jack Would you like to earn money writing similar articles? CLICK ME! Read more great articles: http://www.xomba.com/xombyte/free_cracker_4_jack?p

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This is not a conversation

It is just you preaching in hopes of bringing one more into the flock. If you find my personal opinion of how you conduct yourself insulting, then perhaps you should alter the manner in which your present yourself.

 
 

No, Imorovan...it is not a

No, Imorovan...it is not a "wrong premise." For you it is a "factual error." Just now, I opened up a Bible to a random page and this is what I found: "The Lord said, 'Jeremiah, do not pray for these people. Do not cry or pray on their behalf; do not plead with me, for I will not listen to you. Don't you see what they are doing in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather firewood, the men build fires, and the women mix dough to bake cakes for the goddess they call the Queen of Heaven. They also pour out offerings of wine to other gods, in order to hurt me. But am I really the one they are hurting? No, they are hurting themselves and bringing shame on themselves. And so I, the Sovereign Lord, will pour out my fierce anger on this Temple. I will pour it out on people and animals alike, and even on the trees and the crops. My anger will be like a fire that no one can put out.'" - Jeremiah 7; 16-20. The rest of this chapter and the next goes on to describe God's anger and his willful punishment. It describes how the people are to suffer under this punishment and God says they "will prefer to die rather than to go on living" because of this. They bake cakes and pour out wine - and God damns them for it and makes them suffer? He even punishes the plants and animals. That sure sounds like a god with human attributes to me...not to mention a very vengeful and unmerciful god. It also brings up the question that if God claims to not be hurt by their actions, why did he become so angry and merciless towards the "evildoers"? It's a bit of a contradiction, don't you think? *If you're interested in reading my articles, Click Here.

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