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On Being Both "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice"

posted November 21, 2008 - 1:52pm
On Being Both "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice"

In a world that is consistently perceived in black and white, at least from a political stand point, it is often frustrating to have conversations with those who can't think outside such a limited spectrum. A case in point is the issue of abortion. Why is it immediately assumed you have to either pro-life or pro-choice? Quite frankly, I believe this is an entirely ridiculous assumption. A person's personal beliefs needn't get in the way of understanding that what is right for them, isn't necessarily right for everyone.

I am not just speculating, or pulling this argument out of thin air. This comes from personal conversations with women who have shared this opinion with me. As a man, I'm not really qualified to express my own opinions on this subject, anyway. I don't have a womb, will never get pregnant, and can never comprehend the experience of carrying a fetus inside my body -- or aborting one. It's just completely out of my realm of understanding.

In a perfect world, everyone would be responsible when it came to sexual relations. They wouldn't engage in unprotected sex, not would they use abortion as a method of birth control. Of course, in a perfect world, there would also be no rape or incest. I'd be curious to know how many of the anti-abortion crowd would be willing to adopt an infant who was the spawn of siblings.

No, we do not reside in a perfect world. My idea of a perfection in this life would be to see people live their life according to the principles and beliefs and leave others to live their's as they see fit. Until a fetus is a living being outside a woman's body, it is nobody's concern but the person to whom it's attached.


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Pro-Life Latina

I  have to disagree with the last paragraph you have there, but you know what it is your opinion and I will RESPECT that. I know it's not a perfect world we live in and I do understand that there aren't always people lining up to care for incested children. But there are many people who do WANT to adopt, so I do believe it is better when a mother makes a PLAN for her child in adoption than abortion. I also do believe that I am NOONE to judge anyone who had or has an abortion! I don;t think they're any less human than us Pro-Life people. There is a HUGE debate over this and how far one can go in making choices for any other person. I'm not perfect but I do believe (STRONGLY) that we were created before we were in the womb. Just wanted to put my little comment in, loved the blog though. Pretty interesting.

Theresa E. Hernandez

@Lee1973-jdubhub-bumm.-etc--To Gov., You're a Vote, Not a "Life"

Don't get me wrong :-); the government-officials are also weak, feeling humans who want in the heart-of-heartses to know that your happy and comfy and yummy and cuddly and smilie and ... and ... zippity-ay!; but the laws don't care. ---Uncle MythMan (http://www.geocities.com/jmythh2k5) & the Xombies Bring-about World-Peace by Discussing Your Opinions on the Beauty Above & the Beauty Among!

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@Lmorovan--Life Begins at Voting-Age

Until then--to the government (the law-making body, ~ja?~)--the offspring is the property of the two citizens from which it is made. I own an electric-keyboard; were that keyboard to develop human-intelligence, we could talk about when it's life starts---but--to the government--it's still my property ... if you think that keyboard is 'an abomination or what-have-you' and destroy it, you're destroying my property and will repay me as such. If *I* think it's 'an abomination or whatev' and *I* destroy it, maybe I'll 'cry' ... whatev ... ---Uncle MythMan (http://www.geocities.com/jmythh2k5) & the Xombies Bring-about World-Peace by Discussing Your Opinions on the Beauty Above & the Beauty Among!

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jdubhub I aggree the story wasn't complete to a point

I'm not for abortion. Maybe, You can find some solice in the idea that not everyone is for shipping their kid to war. I'll step up to the plate if I have to, but I really don't want my kid going to war over some stupid argument that the governments are having. I won't mind watching the two head leaders fist fight it out though. Now if they come over here though, well, I don't want to hand my kid over to the government because the government don't care about him, but I will still insist on my kid standing side by side with me to make certain that our lands stay free. My boy is the last of his father's line. To say the least, I don't like his father, but he deserves to have his name sake. I also love both my kids more than my own life I guess even though the name Bill makes me cringe anymore. It wasn't a good marriage. Let's leave it at that. My biggest pint thought though is that it is a life. If you can't kill a human being you shouldn't be able to kill an unborn infant. It is human. You may not have wanted it, but it is there. I also understand that the woman may have conceived during rape. I wouldn't volunteer the kids father's identity to anyone then. I would probably say I was at a bar and got drunk after the trauma and don't know who or what I was doing at the time. After all if she tells them that it was him, he gets to see the kid. I think that is just sick. Why should a rapest see any kid including his own? But as for the kid, I don't see punishing it for the crime of the father. Might as well scream death tho the children of rapest if you are going to say that a woman should be allowed to murder a fetis because it belonged to a rapist. Still that too is sick. Real sick. I do believe the government goes to far on things, like gun laws, cigarettes and other laws that have taken away from peoples rights. If people would use common sense though, they wouldn't be asked to get in the middle. It is a shame in a world of so many personal freedoms that we do have people getting in our face about how things are handled. I personally don't want to see someone telling me how to raise my kid or how to educate them. If I choose private school, home school, or public school that is my right. If I see a baby in a hot car, I'm going to freak. That is child neglect, and very simular to what you are doing to that fetis if it dies from the cold or heat. I watch the news about women murdering their kids, fathers breaking kids or babies bones in arms, legs, ribs. I listen how they died from internal lasserations, and it makes me wonder why was the baby allowed to be born at all. What stupid evil creatures humans have become? Do we not think about what we do? Do we not care about anyone but ourselves? Sometimes I wonder. It makes me cry, because all I want to do is hold my kids. I never hit them or hurt them. My PSR's told me I was an excellent mother, so why did the courts take them away? It was because my psychiatrist wrote the appointment date down wrong and I was diagnosed Asperger's, ADHD, and having pitmal seizures. So the courts gave them to the man who used to verbally abuse and humiliate me, and beat me. They said that his environment was better. So much for government. My kids used to be afraid of monsters under the bed. I would look under the bed, in the closet, and tell them I don't see anyone there. I also told them the only monsters are humans who hurt other humans, that they shouldn't worry about imaginary creatures and that I wouldn't let the bad people get them. I failed. One got them, and the government gave them to him. I agree sending our kids to war is wrong, but it is very wrong to purposely kill one that can't fight back. I'm sorry. It is only my point of view about abortion. I don't support it, but if it came to vote, I wouldn't be able to vote. I would abstain. I just wanted to share a point of view. Reverend Conner I affilliate for: River Offers-- htt://ld.net/?the_future MetaPot- http://www.metapot.com/affSN22/idevaffiliate.php?id=219 Jiaogulan- http://www.projectgoodlife.com/hc/scripts/t.php?a_aid=Lee1973&a_bid=b9fd8b64

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Everything a human being will become

is already in the two cells that join through fertilization. If we had the technology, we could get an ovum and a sperm and fertilize them in vitro, nourish them, care for them until the nine months are over. Would the donor of the ovum have any right to terminate that life? The mother is nothing more than the producer of an ovum that, when fecundated, becomes a living "thing". It is not a tumor or a wart that is useless and can be justifiably discarded. If the embryo would be given a choice, that choice would be LIFE. But because the embryo cannot make a choice, someone else is making it. On the other hand, if life does not begins at conception, when does it begin? It's not a matter of medical or scientific decision, the conclusion is clear from the scientific point. It's a matter of morality and ethics, a matter of respect for life To read my posts and articles click here: http://www.xomba.com/xombyte/lmorovan

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Perfect world

SK Yes,it is not a perfect world.There can never be so.With each passing day,though we develop,but contradictions come in lasrge number.So searching for perfectionism is futile.For my posts visit www.xomba.com/user/sanjay

SK

Abortion - It's Not About Us!

The end result of abortion is not about the pregnant woman. Nor is it about the man who caused the pregnancy. It's about the baby that could have been. Who knows what that child would have become. Does anyone have the right to refuse that child a chance to prove it's a worthy member of society? Abortion is wrong ... period. The only exception is where the mother's life is in jeopardy. I could not ask (nor expect) a mom to give up her life for an unborn baby. Neither would I accept her to take the life of a child in her womb. We are a very sick society. Life is cheap. So; why not just give up yours and die? That's what we are doing to these millions of unborn infants. They have no voice. Does that make them less than human? I think not. Should these babies die just because we cannot control our own sexual desires? What is wrong with us? Sure; we all make mistakes. And we usually pay for those mistakes. Why make an unborn infant pay when that child has no voice in the matter? In most cases; abortion is a selfish decision. It's inconvenient to have an unwanted child. Come on people. Get a grip.

Wagon Load Prod you definately get it

If someone is planning to be a parent the last place to go would be a Planned Parenthood Clinic. Most all of them specialize in abortion which ruduces the odds and percentages of becoming a parent considerably. Thanks for getting it.

They Know When Life Begins

I've read comments in the newspaper by pro-choice doctors that say they, they meaning the medical profession, know when life begins ... at conception. Abortion is legal from conception until just before the baby is born and takes the first breath. It's interesting because in ancient Greece the man decided in abortion or not, not the woman since the argument was, "it was his sperm, and it was his body, meaning the sperm came from his body". And I know there are people are out there that will adopt, and become foster parents for special needs children whether they were conceived by siblings or not. And you all know where I stand. I agree with Bummba. Human nature doesn't change. Bible stories display human virtues, and vices that cross centuries. You have to recognize that the culture has shaped your views on this. Just look at ancient Greece. Anyway for any one is interested in becoming adoptive parents, or giving up your baby for adoption check out my website below which I believe will provide you with some basic information to get started. http://www.xomba.com/national_adoption_month

@jdubhub-Bummba-MJ Dakota--'Hitler' V Dr. Moreau

i.e. someone signing-off on mass-murder V someone signing-off on possibly-murdering possible-murderers One would hope that during the eighteen years of LIFE, a parent would give`r children the wisdom to choose the best necessity required for service, and then the wisdom to devote enough study to the required regimens in order to appropriately operate within the armed forces---'appropriate' here meaning 'in such a way as is best promoting life.' As our leaders 'appropriately' need positive support (even if their ideas are stupider than attempts to conquer the center of the sun), the people know that the most-appropriate behavior is 'offering their wise children to the leaders' "positive support-group".' (I know that 'armed-force life' is not depicted as being so ~positive~, but the positivity gotsta start somewhereses!) ---Uncle MythMan (http://www.geocities.com/jmythh2k5) & the Xombies Help You with Money, Love, God etc. Use Your Evolved Mind & GET PAID BY SAVING THE DIALOG STARTERS!

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