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CO2 and Sea Level, status, AAAS meeting.

posted February 17, 2009 - 12:24pm
CO2 and Sea Level, status, AAAS meeting.

The Annual Meeting of The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) is taking place in Chicago this week.

Some Status notes:

CO2 and Sea Level . . . Things are worse than we thought.

From presentations at the meeting, the hard evidence is continuing to mount that damage to our world’s “commons” from human CO2 emissions is accelerating. Basically, it is going to be much “worse” than the very worst predicted.

How could that be?

Chris Field, Stanford University, reported and described the growth of carbon emissions -- which had been increasing nearly 1% per year all the way through the 1990s -- suddenly more than doubled to 3.5% per year growth between 2000 and 2007.

Image:NOAA, Mauna Loa CO2 Record

What happened to cause this accelerated rate? The increase turned out to be “economic growth” in India and China, but mostly China. The real problem comes from China’s vast coal energy supply – a supply almost equivalent to the coal of the United States. China has consciously moved to building and operating dirty filthy coal power plants. Coal is a bad fossil fuel; it produces more CO2 per unit of energy produced -- than any other fossil fuel.

However, the U.S. still emits far more CO2 per capita than China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

Conservative Sea Level Change:

Sea Level rise is real, unrelenting – and changing. But it is rising.

Anny Cazenave of the Centre National d'Etudes Spatiales in Toulouse, France, presented very precise sea level measurements made by satellite.

The work shows that the sea level rise of 1.7 mm per year since the 60's as reported by the IPCC in 2007, should now be factored into the data from satellite showing average sea level rise of 3.35 mm per year from 1993 through 2008. (This is 13 years, and amounts to a total of 43.6 mm for the period, about 1.7 inches in a little over a decade).

Image: NASA, Goddard Institute for Space Sciences

Sea level is not rising for the same reasons now as it was just a few years ago.

Two things cause global sea level to rise.

One factor in the rise of sea level is water's thermal expansion, a result of heat making the water warmer occupying more volume in the ocean basins. The maximum density of water occurs at 3.98 Celsius, (39.164 F) a very cold liquid.

The other is because more water flows into the oceans from glaciers and ice sheets, transferring water volume on land to volume in the ocean.

Cazenave says water stopped thermally expanding, perhaps temporarily, a few years ago. Why the expansion stopped is not clear, but is being studied. However, sea level kept on rising, which clearly means that the water had to come from glaciers and ice locked until melting, to the land.

Cazenave checked measurements of ice melt from sheets of ice and glaciers. In the past, the researchers showed land ice melting accounted for only 40% of sea level rise, leaving thermal expansion as the predominant source, especially between 1993 and 2003, “Now” since 2003, this ice melt accounts for 80% of sea level rise.

Additional notes: (Les Porter)

Thermal expansion of the ocean water could be offset by the denser cold water entering the ocean -- so that offset is being studied.

Clearly, however, thousands of cubic miles of "cold" ice melt water will still push sea level higher. When that cold water also warms, thermal volume increases will resume, sea level rise will continue. The threshold crossing seems to have occurred and means a period (Decades to Hundreds of years?) of cold water entry into the ocean as glacial melting continues. Now and for a substantial period ahead of us, this cold water adds most to rise of sea level and delays the continued eventual simple contribution of thermal expansion to sea level rise. The melting of high mountain ice, the ice caps, and glaciers, and the consequential increase in sea level directly connects to the continued emission of CO2 from fossil sources.



Comments

We can't and shouldn't ask China or India to leave the party.

What we do have to do is change globally to renewable energy forms, and I agree with T Boone Pickens on the transitional use of natural gas for transportation fuel. When we are able to use vast volumes of algae or other biofuels for transitional liquid transportation fuels, we will have temporarily solved the problem. Neither China nor India should be considered part of the problem, but rather, major parts of the solution. I do not want globalization where corporations and banks rule the planet -- and we do not ave to do that if we can stomach gutting the Republicans misguided grasp of life and meaning of life. It is probably more kind than drawing and quartering them, but good examples could be made -- like Vlad the Impaler and his tolerance. (I jest of course; but the GOP is a dead thing in its current guise.) We do have to globally connect a power grid. We want Saudi Sunlight at night, and they want Arizona power in their night. The species will have to actively accomplish the rapid removal of the CO2 we have placed there, before the tipping points are all passed and we practically kill the worlds life, and ourselves. Eradication of Bad memes such as the radical religious ones as well as the Republican GOP sickness will occur by direct action of our society or those like the Chinese leadership who do not so easily confuse survival and fluff. Population control is needed. It will, eventually, with non-Palin kinds of training -- be implemented. As I have written elsewhere, Imagine. . . vast machines that will inhale 1/4th of the earth's air, swallow the C and return the O2 -- and these machines might be green plants or planet shaping inhalers of air. This will give us climate control and save earth life, but only if we act swiftly. To delay will fry the egg and there is no way to un-fry this one (or any other.) Think! Thanks for your comment.

CO2 increasing...

Are there any solutions other than the Chinese stopping their output? It seems unfair that because that country has arrived at the industrialisation party late that they can't play. Yes, we could use it to improve the standard of living in our countries but you can't do the same... The only fair thing is for the rest of the world to pay for their clean energy resources. We could claw back "bankers'" bonusses and dosh that up for a start...

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Carbon tax, 100%-dividend. Yes! Carbon trades and caps? No!

The barbecue thing like tailgater's is something each six-packer must decide for himself, but I would encourage barbecues to continue, and even the use of native woods as well as charcoal briquettes and a carefully watched fire cook-place. Most of what we do can help, in a very small way -- and it makes us "feel" better. But the sinners are the purveyors of big quantities of fossil carbon. Only beef flatulence (small factor) and methane from manure bacteria (larger factor) show up on the methane parts per billion as a part of the human signal. More significant is the CO2 release from coal power, though the methane, CH4, in permafrost in the near future could be a very significant part of the tipping point danger of the warming. (Imagine the fast gradual release of ~ 5,000 Billion Tones of CH4, say over a period of a decade -- and then realize that some scientists postulate such a thing contributed to the vast Permian Extinction.) But in the meantime, Fossil Carbon Tax it. Neutral Biofuel or solar and wind energy are not carbon taxed. Steep tax on Gas unless it is produced from biological fermentation-like means from biostock. A chili cook-off ban might save gastrointestinal distention and really hot flashes, and reduce global warming! Well, not really! But cleaning up transportation and power generation will help attack the problem. The things to reduce AGW must be done. It is a matter of survival. UPDATE NOTE MONDAY'S White House meeting with the Governors was for me overshadowed by the "National Clean Energy Project Summit" where congressional leaders, met with former VP Gore, Pres. Clinton, my buddy, Boone Pickens, my friend Interior Secretary Salazar, and DOE Secretary Physicist Steven Chu and Tim Wirth, and many national organizations that will be involved in the Transmission Grid siting and construction. I know there will be a lot of resistance to the ideas the governments of the World and our own government are finally beginning to recognize -- nearly a decade late. Man-caused Global warming is fully and increasingly upon us. It is time to begin the alleviation of this man-caused malady. With that and with due respect, I must acknowledge the contrarians, the deniers and the practicing malefactors, posting here on Xomba, at least to my postings, where rather than an honest factually based difference in observations or measurements they have detracted as much as they thought possible. With all due respect, which you can feel as a weighty thing in these words I name names, including Publius,even though that is not his name; Bob Cormack, Martin 123, and more recently, R Manne, et al. I believe they are going to find their positions of studiously constructed denial and innocent appearing posturing, relying on their pretense of ignorance -- indefensible. It is fine to respect a person's alternative position -- if they have one that works to solve the problem. I have no real malice toward those deniers and malefactors, and enjoy satire on levels few appreciate -- but can't understand the inadequacy these members of the species or members of the society they inhabit, foist as comment. I am looking forward to their proposals, this for any of them to propose a solution that saves the world from this heat death; that preserves such things as we have not even discovered, but which are attuned to the climate we are modifying. Thanks.

So, we don't have to buy carbon credits to have a chili cookoff?

The way government licensing and permit-pulling is heading, it won't be long before they start offering pre-paid carbon credit cards and requiring Joe Sixpack purchase carbon credits to have a friendly barbecue with his friends and neighbors. If the methane in flatulence is a bona fide cause of global warming, we should expect bans against chili cookoffs, too. JOIN XOMBA NOW--DON'T WASTE ANOTHER MINUTE!

You sound like you are boxed in. Are all the windmills spies?

I enjoyed your food police article, but want to direct you to one of my favorite British scientists, a polymath; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Lovelock http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2008/mar/01/scienceofclimatechange.climatechange ============== Our NSA has acres and acres of storage devices in the bowels of buildings over hardrock tunnels in the Virginia hills near DC. If you feel you are being watched (even in Thailand from your profile) you probably are. What I write here and everything communicated electronically is stored in vast devices. Yes. We share with others the fruits of some of that watching. If Windmills are nearby, especially those built for electrical power, you can be assured you are being watched. If satellites can traverse your property you can be seen. Even those innocent looking PV solar panels have spy chips on them, and if you are anywhere near the grid, they have your number. Outside, even in the jungle, satellites can see you, unless you can don something that will insulate your body heat from sight for a while, 'til it gets warm, you will be almost invisible. Heck, you can sneak around with impunity. Only on the tips of the newer windmills there are sensors that "see" you. As the wind turns them, these sensors report your every move, if not every thought. Even the geothermal pipes delving deep into the ground and deep hot rock act as an antennae and report to those who can sense you. . . -------------------- I'm not into this surveillance mode you seem into, but I do know we have a corporate elite problem that is going to begin killing all animals that have adapted to the same world we have grown into for profits given to the few at the expense of the most of us. The Bush administration's EPA was ordered to prohibit California's automotive rules. That has been rescinded -- and if the automakers survive they will use less of G Bushes and R Chaney's oil friends products. Anyone can build a car that runs on coal, poorly and dirtily. Yesterday, DOE announced a two year "hole drill" into Illinois sediment for CO2 sequestration storage. Clean Coal is a pipe dream or bong dream. I want a moratorium on new coal plants and absolute sequestration on the rest. I'd say 10 years is enough for transition. Has to be done globally. Your sarcasm is oblique; in fact, I think you are oblique, though some of your posts have been quite the read. Thanks for the comments.

yeah it's great fun to have

yeah it's great fun to have the green agenda hijacked by governments to force through draconian surveillance laws and curtail the few freedoms left. Yeah, I really believe that individuals, every one of us, is personally to blame and that businesses have nothing to do with it. I can also see the wisdom in employing thousands more people to spy on their neighbours and relatives and demand they obey the green directives as their employers spew poisonous chemicals into air, water and into people's mouths. I can see that just changing the laws is a simple and therefore ineffective device that would cure the problem relatively quickly but without the fear and control protocols. I recall California passed a law some years ago banning petrol engines in the state within x years. The auto and petro industries were so shocked by this act of political independence that they paid everybody they could find to reverse the law before it ever came into place - it's called lobbying. yes, I believe it all... if there wasn't the stench of a police state. The War on Ghosts. Join Xomba Here

Human flatulence irrelevant, But so is Human CO2 exhalation.

Human exhalation is different. You exhale CO2. . . Thanks, so much, for your comments. The "food police" might be carrying sensors, so watch out. You must also watch for the Thought Police! They know what is "good" for you and will help you spend your money on it. Thanks for the Comments, three I note here at this time. 1.This posting is not about "flatulence," although Rycharde Manne begin's the minor, almost irrelevant, humorous linkage. 2. Idlewild's posting hitchike on Rycharde's comment is spot on! and his humor is also on target. I would point out that domesticated birds and livestock are means "we" cause to despoil the environment and our consumption of beef raises the CH4 (methane) to a level we can notice as affecting the general climate framework. 3. eeyor's comment on beavers and environmentalist is an attempt to impune the science and is irrelevant, but thanks for reading it. Since there is so much interest in aromatic gas emanations from human and animals I will touch on it here briefly, though I do not understand those anal fixations this posting elicited for responses. Flatulence is just the fun part! Flatulence produces interesting aromas. Usually the methanogenic lifeforms are not just bacteria, but archea -- really ancient microorganisms. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1974822 http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1974822&rendertype=table&id=tbl1 Numerous links emanate from the above two resources for the interested student. Your flatulence can count as a CO2 "re"emission if it comes from drinking carbonated liquids or some how getting the CO2 gas out of your stomach, through your intestines, and out your tail-end. Usually, or often, this has social concerns especially if small amounts of especially aromatic trace gases from digestion escape in a confined space, with other people. Most aromatic flatulence has sources that are organisms resident gastrointestinally whose genetic sequence places there origins and appearance billions of years in the past. This site below deals with some of your concerns in laymans terms.. http://www.badgut.com/index.php?contentFile=intestinal_gas&title=Intestinal%20Gas At this site, you can learn that oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, hydrogen and methane are normal components of intestinal gas, while bloating and distended intestinal discomfort aren't all that uncommon. In your case, or rather, for the concerns you're implying, you could ask that those concerned might try Tums, Digel, Exlax, Kaopectate, or any number of OTC pallatives. The site above reports that young adults, assumed to be healthy dynamic members of society produce 1 to 3 pints of gas (about a half to one-and-a-half liters) at about atmosphereic pressure each and every day. The site reports on average 90% is ingested gases, air you've swallowed or that from drinking carbonated drinks, with only about 10% from resident bacteria in the digestive tract. Humans exhale CO2. How much? I wrote about this "human exhalation" in my Xombyte: http://www.xomba.com/a_diamond_made_from_air Wherein, I discuss "baby breath" and other things. You and I exhale CO2 from what we eat through the O2 - CO2 swap of gases made in our lungs with air, and the quantity is about 900 grams of CO2 exhaled each day for adults. Over the course of one year, if all our exhalations were captured and via carbon vapor deposition techniques, turned into a perfect cubic diamond we would find that it would be nearly 1 cubic foot in size, weighing 197.646 lbs and might be more than I want to carry around on a finger -- even a superbowl ring. Thanks for your comment. Learn more about this by reading the science. WWW.realclimate.org is a good place to start. Mostly, it is an adult site -- that is, for grown-ups and serious interaction. But it is fun, too.

Flatulence and global warming

"So the CO2 increase is not due to people farting?" Methane is the active greenhouse gas in flatulence. And supposedly methane is 20 times more efficient at destroying ozone. So while there is more C02 in the atmosphere, methane does more harm, pound for pound, it seems. The real destructive flatulence is not so much from people, but from the many livestock out there. Maybe someone will come up with a cow butt-plug, or gas-recapture device. I wrote a xombyte about animal poo and spew a ways back... http://www.xomba.com/major_pollution_source_identified_animal_poop

So the CO2 increase is not

So the CO2 increase is not due to people farting? The green gestapo are enjoying their new powers to blame and interfere with everybody's personal lives but, as expected, it is corporate output that is to blame. Don't tell the food police! Join Xomba Here

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