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Ducksouping explained

posted November 28, 2006 - 6:02am
Ducksouping explained

every so often, i'll feel inclined to explain some movie-related term of my own invention so as to add smaller xombyte fodder to my endless lists...

"ducksouping" is a fairly common concept, based on my own experiences. as a boy, i was introduced (by elwy yost, no less... on saturday night at the movies, no less...) to the marx brothers. those who've known me for a while might recognize that since then, i've dedicated my life to being just like groucho. yosts's double feature was a night at the opera & a day at the races. eventually i also saw animal crackers... a night in casablanca... horse feathers...

but the one i hadn't seen was their "masterpiece", duck soup. every legitimate movie guide or site or critic or fellow marx brother fan said it was their best movie. it's in the afi's top 5 comedies of all time. & for over 10 years as a marx brothers fan... i hung my head in shame at having never seen it.

several years ago, i finally saw it... & was seriously disappointed. moments, maybe... but not even up to animal crackers or horse feathers. certainly not worthy to be used for a queen title...

coupla years later, i saw it again... & couldn't stop laughing from start to finish. it's still not my personal favourite... but it's a GREAT movie!

and from then on, i use "ducksoup" as a verb to describe what i've done when a second viewing of a movie makes me appreciate it as great cinematic art.

i'm telling you that to tell you this: another title was added to the ducksoup list today... a slow, stagy legal character drama called "12 angry men." exactly the sort of movie they're talking about when they say, "they don't make movies like that anymore."

one of the truly great "new-style" american movies of the 1950s, this had two strikes against it the first time i saw it.

one... we know how it's gonna end right from the start. henry fonda & 11 other jurors head into deliberations on an open-n-shut case. only fonda doesn't want to RUSH the cold-blooded killer to the chair. so he stands alone against 11 men looking to wrap things up so they can get home in time for the ball game. trust me... it went the same way when they redid the story on the andy griffith show years back.

two... it's early tv roots are clearly in evidence. director sidney lumet made his jump from the small screen to the big with this movie. he had worked on television as far back as 1948, & it shows. the academy rewarded him with a best director nomination for this movie (AND best picture)... but it wouldn't be until 1962's long day's journey into night that lumet would leave tv direction behind him.

but i watched it again today & lo 'n' behold... i ducksouped a GREAT legal drama. so simple as to look too simple. no good guys / bad guys... this was the NEW hollywood of the 1950s (on the waterfront... marty... rebel without a cause...) sparse sets & the kind of lingering direction that they just dont do anymore (especially on tv!!).

& the CAST!!! i'm not going to quibble with alec guinness fleshing out the arse-stomping "bridge on the river kwai" inflicted on the competition at the 1957 academy award handouts. but i'll quibble with henry fonda not getting a best actor nomination. bad enough he got robbed of his rightful oscar for "grapes of wrath"! fonda DID win a british academy award for his work in this movie, so there's the BRITS getting it right!

but the other 11 men should at least have been garnered one best supporting actor nomination (there were 2 from "peyton place" that year?). lee j cobb, jack klugman, ed begley sr, e.g. marshall, jack warden, martin balsam, john fiedler, robert webber, george voskovec, edward binns & joseph sweeney. you may not recognize the names, but you'll know all of them if you've seen enough movies or tv of the 1950s -- 70s.

those of you who read my little on the waterfront blog-rade know my love of lee j cobb. & as the final holdout... DAMN! the climactic cobb/fonda showdown is what movie-watching is all about.

btw: there exists (i've just learned) a remake. in 1997, 12 angry men returned to the small screen with a similar who's who cast... jack lemmon, george c scott (as fonda & cobb, i'll betcha), hume cronyn, ossie davis, armin mueller-stahl, tony danza, edward james olmos, william petersen & james gandolfini.

i don't watch movies featuring tony danza... & i don't make a point of watching remakes. but the original is a ducksoup, & i don't mind admitting it.



Comments

i know!

blood rayne could hump them. over and over again. for no reason. you DO realize that this is how most major motion pictures get made, right?

NOW we're getting somewhere...

dude... i would pack a sleeping bag, a hotplate & a stack of take-out flyers & move into the theatre for the duration of the run!! wait... what if they were up against that matrix girl you were telling me about... or that chick who played elektra (which i also didn't see... since it didn't have michelle pfeiffer in a leather catsuit... but i'll admit she looked pretty smokin'). we need to get that wanna-be screenwriter who was whining about the lack of originality & imagination in hollywood a coupla days ago. THIS project involves some imagination!

or maybe not...

if only...

if only there was a comic of batman where, for some reason, catwoman gets an accomplice who ALSO dresses in a catsuit... halle barry and michelle pfeiffer, together, in matching leather catsuits! licking each others' faces, to boot. yes. i would not only pay to see that but i would pay to see it as soon as it came out and i'd pay to see it over and over again while it's still in the theater. (i almost never watch movies in the theater.)

right... RIGHT... right...

dude!! & here i was going on someplace about halle berry in a storm outfit being close to michelle pfeiffer in a leather catsuit. & i'd plum forgotten about halle berry's turn in a leather catsuit. i didn't see it, you see, becase it didn't have michelle pfeiffer in a leather catsuit. but i think i could get a rise or two out of seeing halle berry in a leather catsuit (maybe a coupla times... i'd need to be objective...), then seeing michelle pfeiffer in a leather catsuit again (maybe a coupla times...), then seeing halle berry in a leather catsuit again (maybe a coupla times...) before rendering a verdict on which of them looks better in a leather catsuit. 'cause if necessary... i'd be open to the idea of green-screening halle berry's leather catsuit over michelle pfeiffer's leather catsuit (& vice versa) to see if it improves either movie. as for foggy & harsh... ask ken light, dude. that's how i roll! gotta tell ya... if nothing else, xomba has given me ample opportunity to write the phrase "in a leather catsuit". i like it.

or maybe not...

right ... right...

sorry about that, i've been pretty sick lately and the stupid medication makes me both out of it and a bit testy, so if my replies seem foggy and harsh, that's why. i mostly remember the main people in jackie brown (pam grier and... guy who's name i've forgotten who's been around forever). they were both excellent. and i'll commit blasphemy and say i preferred halle barry in the cat suit. (but good lord not the movie itself! ugh.)

oh, hey... look at that...

say... i DID refer to keaton's part in jackie brown as the best role he's ever played, didn't i? ok... how 'bout... best role he's ever played that didn't involve makeup? best role he's ever played that didn't evolve into a saturday morning cartoon? & while keaton's a good batman (far better than val kilmer or george clooney or any of the other fellas they're gonna get to play batman in the ongoing series of movies i'm not going to watch)... there's only one adam west. & why are we talking about michael keaton when we COULD be talking about michelle pfeiffer in a leather catsuit?

or maybe not...

ok but still..

we're kinda talking about michael keaton, not michelle pfeiffer. keaton's best role, imo, was in beetlejuice. i think he's a great batman, but i prefer the beetlejuice character. michelle pfeiffer's best role tho has to be as cat woman.

whaaaaaaa?

oh... it's a throw-down? dude, if we're gonna talk michael keaton movies (& don't get me wrong... beetlejuice may be the part of his career)... then i've gotta put danny devito, christopher walken & michelle pfeiffer in a leather catsuit up against three film actors whose very presence in a movie runs up my spine like fingernails on a chalkboard: alec baldwin, geena davis (except when opposite jeff goldblum) & winona ryder (except in heathers). bj holds a considerable lead after that... but only 'cause of catherine o'hara (two years before dick tracy & home alone ruined HER for me...) & jeffrey jones. but yer gonna talk yerself a month of sundays before i'll stand by & let michelle pfeiffer in a leather catsuit not be acknowledged as the greatest accomplishment in cinema. which, logically, puts it ahead of any movie that DOESN'T have michelle pfeiffer in a leather catsuit. (& as you can tell... i have a thing for writing the phrase "michelle pfeiffer in a leather catsuit". almost as much as the thing i have for WATCHING michelle pfeiffer in a leather catsuit!) as for gone with the wind... i hated it as a youngster, but only 'cause one or both of my folks convinced me that i detested clark gable. but after seeing "it happened one night"... i was all turned around on that gable fellow. & come on... "you need to be kissed, & often... & by someone who knows how." DAMN, dude! i can't WAIT to try that on a young lady. she won't know what HIT her!

or maybe not...

jackie brown is good but...

i don't think jackie brown is a truly GREAT tarantino film. i liked it a lot but i can't say i loved it. there just seemed something missing. (and i don't mean that it's his least transgressive film, i don't just watch movies of gay rape scenes and cops getting their ears cut off.) i love pam grier, and felt her performance was the highlight of the film. there just didn't seem to be a whole lot to it. it was mostly fairly straightforward, moving from one point to the next, and didn't (if memory serves) have an awful lot of moments of... things happening b/c they do in real life rather than b/c it furthers the plot for it to be in there. if you see what i mean. it's one of the things i like about tarantino and one of the things that made pulp fiction so good. kill bill also didn't have a whole lot of things like that in it, but it does have a huge amount of energy and excitement. plus, i'm a sucker for martial arts films, anime, and well-done musical montages. i try not to judge other people's tastes in movies too harshly, as i seem to be one of the few people to hate a film like gone w/ the wind. boring, stupid and racist all sugar-coated with a love story to make it go down smoother. *yawn* oh and um, nothing beats beetlejuice. nothing.

Interesting... interesting...

see... i'd never thought of ducksouping music. i reckon i've done that plenty of times too... & it's... well, interesting may be too strong a word... but, much like the first lord of the rings movie, i dozed off midway through both times i had a go at kill bill 1. & never did see kill bill 2. now... before you start... there's plenty of folks here in lotusland who's opinion of me as an opiner of the cinematic arts has never recovered from the fact that i don't LOVE the kill-bills. & i'll give them the spectacle... the action... the pageantry... but i didn't see the snap & sizzle that makes tarantino great. i saw more of it in last year's csi finale. MY other great tarantino movie is the one that almost everyone overlooks... jackie brown. naturally, my afore-mentioned love of blaxploitation makes me a pam grier man... but a quick word about the rest of the cast... sam jackson? as far as i'm concerned the man should ONLY be directed by tarantino. robert de niro? dude... he's f%&kin' DE NIRO!! robert forster... another one of those everyone-know-him-but-no-one-knows-his-name talents who will never get the credit he deserves. chris tucker? man... i don't think there's a black actor in the biz today that i love as much as i love chris tucker. fifth element? c'mon, that's GENIUS!! michael keaton... bridget fonda... how is it that tarantino is able to make no-talent hacks great? damn... i'll take that back about keaton. still, best role he's ever played (take THAT beetlejuice! OR johnny dangerously!) hattie winston... ok, i just saw her on a scrubs rerun (playing turk's mother... for those of you who have the faintest idea what i'm talking about), so now i'm just showing off... &, of course, we seem to be in agreement on the subject of pulp fiction. which is a movie that would make the desert-island list of just 'bout everyone i know.

or maybe not...

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