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The Europeanization of America - Freedom to Fail or Failure of Freedom

posted February 20, 2009 - 4:36pm
The Europeanization of America - Freedom to Fail or Failure of Freedom

An interesting column on Reuters "Goodbye to rugged American individualism?" starts off with the standard right-wing Republican stance that somehow all the current government largesse is a lurch towards European-style socialism. The very title of the piece pits individualism with collectivism. But perhaps these Americans have just swallowed too much of their own country's anti-communist propaganda to see beyond the shades of red.

Data shows that indeed US government spending as a proportion of GDP has been edging upwards, although still shy of the European average. It concludes by saying that in times of crisis a social safety net is very much the business of government. Otherwise, what is their point? Yes, I know to take money from everybody and give it back to a few. Well, this is a time to give it back to the many.

But my reaction took the question a little further. Is all this individualist machismo such a real success? Is it just propaganda to make Americans feel good? Does the demand to succeed actually hamper real creativity? By various measures the US comes out about 15th in the world in terms of the best countries to live in. It excels in many fields and has the corporate muscle to make sure everybody else knows about it. But what about the charge that somehow European social democracy (not socialism) is anti-individualist? That is, after all, the charge that the right wing likes to make against what it sees as socialism.

In terms of politics, religion, arts, music and culture there are few places in the world more heterodox than Europe. In contrast, much of what comes out of America culturally is the same tired boring suburbanite clichés we've been seeing for decades. Does the drive for success deprive the culture of the benefits of experimentation? Does a social safety net actually make Europeans more individualistic than Americans? Britain is often criticised in the rest of Europe for being too American - this was certainly true in the Thatcher-Reagan years. But even in those days an unemployed person had a small allowance, free rent and a host of initiatives to get either back to work or to learn a new skill, often including subsidised university courses.

Ultimately a social safety net gives the individual the freedom to fail. In contrast the right-wing libertarians espouse freedom for the victors and poverty for the rest. Is this recession a failure of freedom?

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we agree on something else, pub

We're both worried about "big"--you're afraid of big government and I'm scared of big business (corporatocracy). So I gather that in 30 plus years, when you're eligible for Social Security and Medicare (assuming it hasn't been gobbled up by the private sector and destroyed), you'll refuse it, as a rabid anti-socialist and a good little libertarian, huh? The victory still isn't mine, alas. Socialism still has a long way to go in America, and as I've said before, a socialist/capitalist mix is the best I can hope for. But that's acceptable. As for individual liberty, I think the right wing has done more to compromise freedom in the past eight years than any socialist ever could, what with the Patriot Acts and The Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, etc. And this really is my last word. So go for it, pub. I won't know the difference. Thanks Rycharde. That was fun.

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Your Effort Failed

I'm glad that we share a similar outlook on credit and spending. Regarding the rest of your comments - I would expect nothing less from a socialist, or communist, or whatever you call yourself today. Rulers and governments have tried to regulate economies since the dawn of civilized society. And every single one of them have failed. Soon enough, we will be the next victim. Congratulations on your socialist victory. Just remember, it will be people like you who will be recognized by future generations for the destruction of individual liberty in this country. But you'll actually be proud of that accomplishment, won't you? Who is Publius? What is Rational Liberty? How do I join Xomba and get PAID to write?

my last effort to convince publius that he's wrong

And then I'm outa here. For the gazillionth time, the failure of our economic system was caused by NOT ENOUGH regulation (and now I’m melodramatically capping just like you). Bankers, financial institutions and Wall Street were allowed to run wild, with CEO’s demanding huge compensation and stock options, sub primes being allowed to flourish, and all kinds of shady deals going on, including the Madoff pyramid scheme, the Stanford CD scheme and all the mini-Madoffs that are coming out of the woodwork. If you persist in worshipping at some libertarian shrine, you’ll never ever get it, Pub! Get real. Yes, absolutely I agree that the federal and state governments are aiding and abetting the exploitation of animals, but it’s because of their LACK OF sufficient and appropriate regulation to prevent the tormenting of animals, not too much regulation. The FDA is a joke where animal welfare is concerned, and the Animal Welfare Act only prevents the most egregious exploitation but hardly makes a dent in factory farming, which should be totally banned, and doesn't even classify poultry, birds and rodents as animals in animal research and factory farming, which would afford them some governmental protection. You can't rely on the animal exploiters to do the right thing by animals. They're too busy making money off them or enjoying their taste (!). The jury is still out on Obamanomics, but right now the best thing to do appeas to be to get the constipated economy flowing again, although economists differ on how much to do. What the federal government is doing is unprecedented in terms of the cash injected into the system, but I (and most Americans) believe it’s a necessary evil. Nobody likes what’s happening, but if nothing is done, the future will be untenable for the poor and middle class, and maybe even the wealthy, and the entire world will be negatively affected, as it is already. You just can’t sit back and say, hey, let the disaster happen, and hope the pieces will put themselves together again. I sort of agree on one of your statements. There was/is too much use of credit cards and resulting credit card debt, but as far as bank loans go, small business and private citizens need loans to expand their businesses and buy houses, cars, etc. But clearly, the sub primes and other balloon mortgages have to go. I do think that many people are irresponsible about their credit, including buying homes they know they can’t possibly afford and not reading the fine print. But many others, like me and my husband, are very responsible about credit and mortgages (we recently paid our mortgage off in full and I pay off my credit card charges completely every month), and I believe most Americans are fiscally responsible. The emphasis on “shop ‘til you drop” has to go too, and we’ll all have to get back to the basics and stop imagining that money and “stuff” buy happiness. I must say that I’m thrilled we’re morphing into at least a semi-socialist country. It’s about time! I don’t hate capitalism, but like the kid left alone while its parents go to a cocktail party, it needs to be babysat by the government so it doesn’t have to step in, like it has, and bail everybody out. Murderers (and often innocent kids) who get a hold of guns—which is very, very easy thanks to insufficient gun control—kill people, pub. And innocent kids who play with their parents’ gun collection or find a gun or rifle in the closet can also kill. Then there’s the screwed up kids who find a gun and stage a shootout at their school. It goes on and on. But that’s another issue.

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Yea! We're on the road to socialism!

I see this xombyte has been pretty active today, so I just wanna say to nobody in particular that I feel better, after having watched the McLaughlin Group. Crowley and Buchanan (the resident cons) were freaking out about the stimulus/budget turning us into a quasi-socialist nation, with no turning back, and McLaughlin termed what the U.S. was morphing into as a European social welfare state. And curiously, mega rich Mort Zuckerman kept using the phrase "entirely appropriate" for the tax increases on the wealthy and the tax program in general. Ya did good, Obama.

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political change

I haven't actually said very much about what I think is going on. You might think so, but have a look at what I've said rather than what you think I've said. The current movement towards greater control, globalization the new world order, whatever one wants to call it, has many adherents both in government and within corporations. To argue about political ideologies is, I think, another media bait to avoid pointing fingers at real people and what they are doing in their positions. Again, these are both in governments and corporations. Individuals move in and out of government and in and out of corporations. It is these people and their ideology of taking over total control of people's lives that should be the focus of people's anger... and their actions. Instead, people are so terrified that all their energies are focussed on saving themselves, their homes, their families. This seems obvious and understandable enough. But are people going to find out who the real targets of their hatred should be? When even presidents have been quoted as knowing what was going on, knowing it was wrong for the country and for the people, and yet being powerless, what power can people claim back? I don't think any political beliefs are worth very much. What is on paper and what happens in the world seem often poles apart. One thing, however, that is useful is to just change political system every so often, say every 100 years. Every system is corruptible and once thoroughly corrupted it is also thoroughly useless to the citizen. The democratic systems in the US and the UK are similar in as much as the winners have power that is hugely disproportionate to their popular vote. In contrast, democracies that have some form of proportional representation may be unstable but at least they can survive on coalitions and the newspapers have genuine debates about policies. Just as an example, the level of political debate within Italian newspapers is far superior to anything in the UK, or probably America. It has to be because policies are fragile and need to be crafted with as much consensus as possible. Anyway, this is possibly a different argument, but any change of system means people have to think in different ways rather than being stuck in party politics. The UK actually had a slither of an opportunity to change voting system some years ago but the 3rd party seemed to have been bought off and didn't have the momentum to carry through their proposed changes. If such changes can be brought about peacefully, all the better, but if not then it may have to be done forcibly. I just don't see how the latter will ever materialize without organization and backing. Join Xomba Here

See? This is what I'm

See? This is what I'm referring to. You do not understand the world around you because you are hopelessly misinformed. You can call me stupid - I really don't care. But the joke is on you every time you try to make a rebuttal. The Federal Reserve is actually modeled after European centralized banking. Your complaints about it and your love of European society don't add up. Europe is where we got the idea - and now you despise it. Why? Because now it's American? The Fed is not private. It has both public and private components to it. It has a presidentially-appointed Board of Governors, it gives its profits to the Treasury Department (after expenses of course), and it's operations are subject to oversight by our federal Congress. That is not a private system in any respect. But thanks for trying to tell me how things are here in the United States. Go do some reading of your own. You should start by looking up the definition of "private." Who is Publius? What is Rational Liberty? How do I join Xomba and get PAID to write?

The fatal flaw of capitalism

The fatal flaw of capitalism is not greed...it is the government trying to regulate capitalism. Once they do that, it's no longer capitalism. Everything you and Rycharde complain about is a result of government trying to control markets and behaviors - and everything you despise is not capitalism, but a system that the government has created. For instance - you mentioned the needless exploitation or killing of animals. Was it not the federal government that wanted to kill livestock during the Great Depression in order to artificially inflate prices for farmers? Was it not our federal government today that spoke of doing the same thing? Obamanomics does not inject more capital into the markets - it injects more government into them. Everything the government is doing is artificially propping up false markets that need to either contract or entirely collapse. By delaying this process or preventing it from happening, the government is merely creating a bigger crisis in the future and extending the current hardships for every individual. The financial meltdown was due to too much credit...and government over-regulation of private business...and government financial backing for certain industries deemed "too big to fail." And it is about my liberty when socialists want to run my life. They are already willing to give up their liberty, so it is inconsequential and does not factor into any of my statements. Their ignorance poses a danger to my liberty. I stand by that remark 100%. For the record: Guns don't murder people. Murderers do. Who is Publius? What is Rational Liberty? How do I join Xomba and get PAID to write?

federal reserve banks

Yeah, you're lucky to have the liberty to insult people on here because it must sound really good when you're typing but if you're an example of your philosophy then good riddance. You just can't avoid your patronizing stupidity. You also, from your last comment, cannot be bothered to follow what was being said without you. Why don't you go read about how the Fed was really created, as you haven't a clue. And yes, the federal reserve Banks are all private. Go do some more reading. Join Xomba Here

This kind of uneducated rant

This kind of uneducated rant is exactly what I mean by the ignorance of my neighbors affecting my liberties. Luckily, you live in a different country, but unfortunately, there are millions of people who think just like you and live in my country. What you don't seem to comprehend are the fundamental tenets of individual liberty. Who protects people from those evil, greedy corporations? The people who buy their products. Learn about the business you are supporting. That's your right and you are free to express it. What do you do if a company steals your money or sells you a product that doesn't work? Well, if they steal your money, they are breaking the law. If they sell you something that doesn't work, then you return it. If they refuse to give you another product or your money back, then you have other options, including legal recourse. You complain about governments propping up corporations? That's precisely the problem with government inteference into the market. Do you honestly not see the parallels? It is not the place of government to control or financially support private individuals and the businesses they create and operate. You think the Fed is a private institution? How was the Fed created? By an act of government! It is a quasi-government institution, much like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. To wrap it all up, you claim that we are heading toward unfettered "corporate socialism," which you mistakenly assume would be the result of laissez faire capitalism. But in reality, it is the theories you advocate that have gotten us where we are today. By the way...you do know that Ludwig von Mises is dead, right? It really surprises me that everything you're railing against is a result of government intrusion into the lives of individuals and the markets they create and maintain through private and willing commerce - yet you either don't recognize your folly, or you have an ulterior motive. You've had ample opportunity to learn about your errors, so exactly what is your agenda? Who is Publius? What is Rational Liberty? How do I join Xomba and get PAID to write?

So, how is corporatism and

So, how is corporatism and monopolistic capitalism different? Your link really tries to simplify the problem. Economic monopolies are OK, whereas monopolies gained by politics are not. It is truly unimaginable that the two are not linked. It is also naive to think that the winner is the best for the consumer. This all really smells like old-fashion Adam Smith style economics. Game theory has come a long way since then and the idea that individual choices lead to an optimum outcome was proved false half a century ago. Recent technology has numerous examples where the best product technologically was not the best selling. We might even be arguing about two different things. Italian fascist corporatism is one definition - this actually worked pretty well for Italy until it had to compete with foreign companies, and the system was largely retained even after fascism collapsed. Then there is perhaps the more common current use that sees corporatism as the corporate influence on governments against the mandates which that same government was given by the people who elected them. Join Xomba Here

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