Gays: The New Blacks

posted May 29, 2008 - 4:40pm
Gays: The New Blacks

Last week gay marriage was legalized in California. Today New York's Governor has given the okay for gay marriages from other states and countries to be recognized in New York state.

Now the conservative nutcases are out in full force to deny this very important equal right to gays and lesbians in our country. The Human Rights Campaign is reporting that the right-wing lawmakers have gathered a petition of one million signatures to put a gay marriage ban on the ballot in California in November.

Isn't this the same discrimination that reminds one of the former law where a black person could not marry a white person?

If the majority of white people wanted to keep that ban would that be "right"? When will our government just say "This is it! Gays should have the right to marry like any other person and it doesn't matter what the majority says."? If the majority says it's okay to kill someone, does that make it right?

This issue is just crazy. Equal rights for everyone. That's what this country should stand for. It's time for some strong individuals to say just that. Let's not let gays be the new blacks.

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OK mandalorianarmy...you

OK mandalorianarmy...you read, but you didn't comprehend. Your response makes that quite obvious. I did not argue that homosexuals ought to be "shunned." I simlpy stated that homosexuality cannot be considered normal by any practical definition. Not wanting to procreate is a key reason why they are not normal, but the argument was not limited to whether or not one decides to create new life. Equating the "mentally challenged" with homosexuality is a non sequiter - and I find it amusing that you would correlate the two. When you speak of people being "programmed" to be heterosexual or homosexual, do you realize just what you are saying? We are not born with innate sexual behaviors. We learn sexuality throughout our life by way of our environment, through conditioning. Like I said - antecedents and consequences. These are the building blocks for what we as adults have been "programmed" to do. It starts at the moment we are born...some say our behaviors are learned starting in the last trimester of pregnancy. In any case, there is no proof of genetic predisposition when it comes to sexual behavior. There can't be. That is why it is called "behavior." Skin color is genetic. We have scientific evidence, lots of it, that supports this fact. The two are not similar. You have to entirely defy science and reason to make that correlation. You are trying to point out a similarity that simply doesn't exist. *If you're interested in reading my articles, Click Here.

you can choose

your actions but you can't choose your sexual orientation.

oh your blinded eyes

http://www.xomba.com/referral/7778de9b http://www.xomba.com/user/adrienne my dear there is a difference, that's just my opinion, and you are entitled to yours--i wont get into the people are programed to be gay just like a gene or genetics or this discussion will never end...homosexuality is a choice, you have a choice.

Actually...

I did read your entire post and to me, the conclusions you reach are quite frightening. Because homosexuals do not advance procreation they are to be shunned? Would you say the same thing about the mentally challenged? Regardless your point falls flat that sexuality is just a behavior. There are only a few things that we all share in common and having a sense of sexuality is one of them. Most of us are programmed to be heterosexual but some of us are programmed to be homosexual. Just like some people have black pigmented skin and some have white and some have brown. You are trying to point out a difference that just isn't there.

For everyone who failed to

For everyone who failed to read the article that I linked... This is why you are arguing things that I have proven to be invalid. Is homosexuality a conscious choice? As I said in the article - no, it is not. Does that mean that it is genetic? As I said in the article - no, it is not. Sexuality is a behavior. It certainly is not a physical characteristic (like one's race). Behaviors are learned through antecedents and consequences and sexuality is not exempt from this process of learning. I did not make a conscious effort to "choose" to be a heterosexual. That does not mean that I was "born straight." However, I did choose to have sexual relationships with women. It would do all of you a great service if you took the time to acknowledge what is. It would also help to read my argument before you try to debate my positions. *If you're interested in reading my articles, Click Here.

well understood

http://www.xomba.com/referral/7778de9b http://www.xomba.com/user/adrienne it is well understood about the hate crimes that exist toward homosexuals, i am just making a point that being gay is certainty NOT the new black when was the last time a gay person was stolen from their homeland and made to be a slave gays do have the right to vote if you know your history there was a time blacks had no rights including the right to vote, when was the last time a gay person was denied the honor of learning how to read or write, black didnt had the right to receive an education at one point in history. my Love, its just not the same thing, heck i am bi-curious so i am not anti-gay.

Adrienne

Read everything Mandalorianarmy wrote. Have you kept your eyes and ears closed for ages? And if anyone out there thinks being gay is a choice, then they must be choosing to resist their own homosexual urges.

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Publius

I agree with some your points in your article on homosexuality article, you have a good point when you say that it is not yet proven that people are born gay but the opposite (being that homosexuality is learned) is not proven either so where does this leave us? I strongly disagree however with you conclusion in this article which goes like this: "It is not up to the person who deviates from the norm to decide what is normal and acceptable for everyone else" When did gay people in general try to impose what is normal and acceptable on ANYONE else? They live their lives! the exact opposite is taking place, also this conclusion makes a logical fallacy called appeal to majority. correct me if I'm wrong but this statement suggests that it is up to the majority to decide what is normal and acceptable for the minorities, true this is actually what is happening in societies all over the world but this practice can not be justified or proven correct by the power of numbers alone it is however happening by the force of numbers alone and this is called oppression. For this conclusion to work you need something more, a logically valid argument to support or explain this practice.

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