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Hermaphrodites/Intersexuals

posted March 5, 2009 - 5:22pm
Hermaphrodites/Intersexuals

A Hermaphrodite/Intersexual is someone that is born with both genders. Well that isn't exactly true.  Intersexuals is the appropriate name for an hermaphrodite seeing how no hermaphrodite born to our knowledge has working have both working genitalia like the worm does.  An Intersexual can be born with one of two workig genitalia with the other dormant.  Also as would happen they can also have all of one physically showing genitalia without the other and still be an hermaphrodite/intersexual because of gentic coding be of the opposite gender than what their physical appearance shows.  So it could look like a woman but have male XX chromosomes instead of the female XY and same goes for the male.  He could have all male genitalia but be coded with a females chromosomes instead.

This actually puts them in a neutral catagory defying the ideas of males and females being the only true nature and order of things that God/Goddess intended if you are a believer in God/Goddess or whatever.  Which only opens up a can of worms for the gays and lesbians.

Cool suff huh.

Although believed to be quite few in numbers, hermaphrodites/intersexuals aren’t as rare as most would like to believe. I was told by a fellow nurse, who use to work along side of me long time ago, that she said she had known many hemaphrodites in her work. I even know of one or was told of one on my father’s side of the family. I thought it was cool.

These people are not gay, bisexual, or lesbian. They literally born with both genders (male and female). I like to think of them as neutral in gender. This should make us rethink what we call the natural order of things. I have heard this term used often when discussing same sex rights. Nature makes men, women, and hermaphrodites. I have even seen animals in same sex relationships. Humans are just animals no matter how you look at it.

Because hermaphrodites are different, they end up being forced to choose a gender, or their parents feel so awkward about the child not having a specific gender that at the time of birth, they will choose for the child. Could you imagine the child growing up wandering why he or she was having feelings about a guy even though he was a guy or a girl even though she was a girl. I am not saying this is were same sex couples come from, but for that small tiny few that had their genders chosen for them, I could imagine this happening. Or maybe the hemaphrodite might have feelings for both sexes.

These people are not monsters. They are different, and forcing them to choose one gender or the other is wrong. I haven’t seen one document or form that offered hermaphrodite as one of the genders. I really think even though they are so few that it should go on forms, documentations, and or IDs.  There is more than two categories. Hermaphrodites should be given an equal voice in the world. We need to let the world know of their existance by placing them on forms, documentations, and or IDs. No placement in our forms, documentations, and or IDs do they get any recognition of existance, but they do exist.  yet everyone would rather pretend that they don't and that they can't and don't happen in Humans.  The biggest problem is that they do happen.  They are born. 

I find the lack of knowledge of hermaphrodites to sinful and wrong.  Why must humans hide everything in existance that scares them?  Why must they lock the things away that terrify them?  Why do they destroy things that they do not understand?  Why do they push things that they fear and can't explain under the rug or throw it out like yesterdays trash? The God/Goddess/whatever made them just like it made all humans, all creatures, and all things great and small, just the way it wanted that person to be made and fooling around with its anatomy is as wrong and/or denying its existance is just as wrong. Forcing them to change their anatomy is just as wrong as everyone makes it out for a person who already has a single gender.  If it is wrong to change a single gendered persons gender, then why isn't it wrong to force these people to choose.  They were born this way.  I actually understand if you want to change genders or if someone chose one gender over another, but to be forced to choose whether you are female or male or to be forced to stay one gender or the other whether or not they want to be such--these things are most assuredly wrong, because it goes against their nature of what they need.  People whose genders were chosen for them at birth may not have wanted that as their gender, but they will never have that chance to say so.  People get upset when a person changes from a female to a male or a male to a female. Why isn’t anyone getting mad about people forcing these people to choose a gender discarding the extra gender it was given? It shouldn’t matter if one gender is more promenant than the other or not. I think we as humans are jealous (scared even) that they have no true gender, because they could go either way and we can’t. To bad people can’t accept that hermaphrodite are as natural as males and females.

Why doesn’t the scriptures of old mention them? It is because people were just as fearful of their existance as they are now.

Some people may not share in my opinion on this because these people can discard one gender or the other, but I find it a little ironic, if you think about it Proposition 8 and laws like it have made it illegal for hermophidites to marry because they are both male and female. Because of Proposition 8 and laws like it, legally they, technically, can’t or shouldn’t be able to marry a man because they are male even though others would argue that all they have to do is discard one or the other gender to be legal. (Why should they have to do that?. To make people who are homophobic happy?) Because of Proposition 8 and laws like it, they, technically, can’t or shouldn’t be able to legally marry a woman because they are female. Techically it could be counted as a same sex marriage. However, they aren’t gay or lesbian either. All Proposition 8 did was force one of God/Goddess/Whatever’s creation to go against its design.

Humans are such evil creatures. We use logic to reason why we should be allowed to hate or be afraid of things. We allow our so called logic to intrude where it shouldn’t. I don’t believe in marriage really, because when Christ was on earth he was asked who would be married to a woman if she had had several prior husbands. His response was that no one, because there would be no marriage in heaven that we would be as angels. I sincerely believe that hermaphrodites are as close to angels as we will get here on earth. Maybe gays and lesbians are too. I also do not oppose marriage seeing how men and women have been getting married since the dawn of time. At least that is what the sacred written texts of countless religions say and teach. Whether it did or not you still need two different genders to create life, however a true hermaphrodite would only need another true hermaphrodite.  An example of a true hermaphrodite is the worm.

Most hermaphrodite as we are told they are not true hermaphrodites, because one of the two gender based organs are usually nonoperatable. This doesn’t mean they aren’t an hermaphrodites, and should be forced to get rid of the unneeded part. The fact that they are what they are goes to show an important point. The point is that it isn’t just male and female in the human world. It is male, female, and hermaphrodite in the human world and we don’t give the hermaphrodite enough credit as they should get.

I find it a shame that they are barely even known about. To bad we let so many things scare us, that we can’t let that which is different than us alone. Sure they could rid themselves of one appendage or the other in order to fit the hetrosexuals idea of normal, but that won’t make them any less male or female than the cosmetic surgery that changes a man to a woman or a woman to a man. Looks like those who are afraid of same sex marriage might have even further fears than anyone ever realised.

As a Reverand ordained through the Universal Life Church, I don’t teach just one doctrin. I teach many (Christianity, Tao, Hindu, Buddhism, Wicca, etc). I believe that the texts we use were written by the hands of humans and that humans are falible. However, the true text of the Divine is written in our hearts, and we choose to ingnore it sometimes as all children do.

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Allowing same sex marriage could not possibly in any way that I know of end free speech or the right of straight people to marry. This is crazy talk. It is just a pitiful lie to frighten people. Todays Bigots and Natzi's need to wake up and smell the coffee, tea or whatever they wake up to, to clear there heads. Racism, bigotry, predudice is wrong and illegal. By supressing these peoples rights and freedoms we are becoming justas evil as the Natzis of Hitler. There is more than one relgion in the USA. The USA was not just built on Christianity. It was built on the backs of people trying to escape relgious opression. It was built on the backs of people trying to find a place they could be who they want to be and need to be. I'm scared for this country. We are trying to become what we fought so hard to escape. We are trying opress people into being exactly the same and adjust to everyone elses way. Gays, Lesbians, and Hermaphrodites aren't hurting anyone or hindering anyones personal freedoms. Instead they are only asking for more freedom of their own. I truely believe they deserve it. It won't take from anyone. I'm certain a lot of people were originally uncomfortable when President Lincoln freed the slaves. I'm certain that people were uncomfortable when people were foced to abandon their discrimintive acts with other races and women, but we all are adjusting and those that aren't, aren't because they are being taught bigotry, racism, and predjudice. It makes me want to cry somedays, just thinking about how far we come and how many steps we take back on the way up the ladder of human evolution. Reverend Conner My Ideas VS Others- I'm not your Standard Reverand http://xomba.com/help_me_help_others_help_give_people_gift_home_and_education Blackjack Ballroom Online Casino http://www.blackjackballroom.com/referral.asp?aff_id=aff75695 DishP

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Medieval Law on Hermaphrodites

I can't remember the exact references but Hermaphrodites are legislated against from time to time in Norman laws - the basis of UK laws and common law. Hermaphrodites were seen to be lower than lowly born women or children - ie pretty low. In the sliding scale of penaltoes for killing a person (vased of their worth) I'd wager killing an Hermaphrodite would be a most leniently dealt with...! I'm glad someone is objecting to the way the PTB have since laws were invented, took time to work out a stratification system based on a individual's worth based on their genitalia and the social position of the parents. The term "utter crap" comes to mind when attempting to describe all such systems. JOIN XOMBA HERE FREE Xomba is an international online community and anyone can join. Show your agreement or disagreement with the many debates started by Xomba members or introduce your own.

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Propostion 8 is a Law based on Predudice and Bigotry

Proposition 8 should be banned because not everyone are male or female. Some people are hermaphrodites. Hermophrodites are neutral in gender. They have both male and female genders at the time of birth. The views of those that marriage should be male or female is a misconseption. I read that 1 in 7 people may be born as a hermaphrodite.( I can't be certai if that estimate is true, but I do know they do exist.) Which means that they would be effected by proposition 8 because they are both male and female. They would be unable to marry a woman or a man because they are both. Not only that but Porposition 8 promotes bigotry. It was once illegal for a black man/woman to marry a white man/woman. It is not now because it was found to be illegal. Heteralsexuals are afraid of what homosexuals represent. They believe by allowing them to marry they are at threat of becoming like them. It doesn't. We as a people should not let fear dictate who we are or what we allow and don't allow others to do. Not everyone in the USA are Christian, yet they marry daily. Not everyone is male or female, but they are forced to pick a sex, because people who do not have a specific gender scares those who do. Hermaphrodites, Gays, and Lesbians shouldn't scare us either. These people are different, just as Blacks, Orientals, Indians, Whites etc are different in color or features. The dominate party shouldn't always be the one in control I've noticed. If they should we would still have slaves. If the dominate party should always be the one in control, then the Natzi's and Hitler would have won and all that weren't a part of Hitler's ideal world would be dead. Don't be like Hitler and deny these people a right that everyone else has just because it scares you. They are just as human as you are and deserve their rights too. Reverend Conner My Ideas VS Others- I'm not your Standard Reverand http://xomba.com/help_me_help_others_help_give_people_gift_home_and_education Blackjack Ballroom Online Casino http://www.blackjackballroom.com/referral.asp?aff_id=aff75695

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