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If We Don't Know Why We're Fighting, How Can We Be Pro-War?

posted September 24, 2006 - 7:48pm
If We Don't Know Why We're Fighting, How Can We Be Pro-War?

Recently I attended a punk rock show. It featured Strike Anywhere, easily my favorite band. They tend to be quite liberal, which is typical for punk rock, and although I'm becoming less liberal the more I live, I'm still more of a Democrat than anything, so I appreciate their view and the lyrics which express it.

I was there with my pro-war, pro-Bush boyfriend who purposely doesn't listen to Strike Anywhere's lyrics because then he would hate them, and they make good music.

The band which performed before Strike Anywhere had a moment to kill before their next song began, and the lead singer said something about his brother having been deployed to Iraq. He stated that he was in Germany now, but that he'd seen horrible things while in Iraq. The lead singer made a comment about the war being pointless and that his brother fought and risked his life for nothing.

My boyfriend, for good reason, was quite irked by this. He shouted, "He's fighting for you".

Initially I was annoyed by his reaction, but when the band ended their set and we sat at the bar waiting for Strike Anywhere to start performing, I realized why those of us who are anti-this-war feel the way we do. We don't know what we're fighting for. Even someone whose brother fought in Iraq and spoke to him about his experiences doesn't understand why we're fighting, and if someone that close to the action is so uninformed, how can the rest of us have information enough to support a seemingly purposeless war?

People like to tell me that we're fighting a preventative war, that we're trying to keep the terrorists from creating another 9-11. They try to tell me that we're fighting for freedom, and Democracy, and peace of mind. What it comes down to is that we need our leader to stand up and tell us flat out what we're in Iraq for. We conquered the terrorists who hurt us. We dealt with that problem. Capturing Sadam was important too, as is securing the government after his fall. But everything seems incredibly vague, and between the ridiculous media and Bush's inability to clearly portray anything in an understandable manner is leaving the public in the dark. We all need to understand what we're fighting for, and if there isn't an explanation that can be giving, then maybe we shouldn't be fighting.



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You make good points,

You make good points, AnthonyB. I don't know your age, but I'd like to comment on one of the crises you mention. I was a kid during the Cuban Missile Crisis; about 7 years old. But I still remember the general sense among people that we were on the verge of a nuclear showdown with the USSR. The government surely kept information to itself but I can assure you, there was a very public tension for a few days there. Flyswatter Xomba Moderator

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All I'm saying is maybe it

All I'm saying is maybe it shouldn't be visible. Maybe if it was visible we couldn't sleep at night anymore. And maybe not. But maybe.

I like your point, Ken

We have enough people looking forward to armageddon in this country without feeding their rapture-enduced frenzy by telling them the truth. Most of us probably wouldn't believe it anyway. And it must be better to let the media play with our emotions, to allow comedians to joke about what the hell could possibly be happening, to go about our self-endulgent, selfish, self-righteous lives because even if we knew the truth, we can't do anything about it, now can we? Except, maybe we could support the government instead of constantly making jokes about how dumb out president is, or how much we disagree with his policy, how nothing is happening overseas, etc. etc. Isn't that what you want? But I suppose not. I suppose it's more important to trust blindly, to have FAITH, of all things, in Bush. Supporting our government...that isn't important anymore, because when we want something to happen, it doesn't. We don't really have any say. They'll do what they want one way or the other, for our good, you say. For the good of our country. For the good of their people. How can we see it through the lies? How can we tell the difference? I find it vaguely amusing that this came up since I got such harsh reponses to my post on what would happen if we got rid of the media. Everyone wants to know what's happening in the world so badly! How dare we even consider not knowing the truth about wars, AIDS, Darfur, etc. We need to know! We need to know! Why? Why do we need to know? I suppose I'm being defeatist, but knowing doesn't really do anything for us anymore. If we knew that the Koreans were this close to nuking us, would it change anything? No, it wouldn't. We'd just panic and say, "Oh President, do something to save us, keep the world from hating us, we're powerless but you're not." I agree with you Ken, somehow, in the midst of all of this, because I know you're smarter than I am. But I don't agree with the goverment, whether what they're doing is right or wrong, because there isn't any way for me to know, and I am no longer capable of blind faith in something that should be visible.

good timing, I guess.

In working on a freelance lifestyle article, I've been trying to run down a Two Star General in the Marines who is deployed in Iraq. He called me this morning. In working through many questions, he said the following about what Iraq: "This is a demanding job. It's a rewarding experience to be a part of the stand up of the democratic elected government as they struggle to bring security to this nation. I think that most people over here are impressed with the potential of this country and are very hopeful that they can make this a successful endeavor. I'm honored to be a part of it and everyone here feels the same way.".... Later he said..."Al Qurieda is a ruthless enemy. This is the right place to be fighting them. You don't want them in America, that's for sure." Mark "It's easy to forget what's important—so don't." - Mr. Mom

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Yes, I agree with Ken

WMD was just a way for us to get right where we need to be. In the bullys ( Iran ) back yard. Or would you have preferred 5 years of getting blown up at your bus stops like in Isreal ? I love it when a leader lies to us for our own interests and protection yet the population goes nuts without recognizing the " wink, wink ". Of course they knew there were no WMDs but what were they to do? Go to the UN and say we need to get our asses in there so we can be strategicly placed for future engagements. I think not. We vote and should know that our leaders will lie if necessary to protect our interests. We put our trust in them to be good liars when need be. " I did not have sex with that woman " ! Ken is right about the panic of the masses. Do you know how much was kept from us during the Cuban Missle crises or how close we came to nuclear armeggedon during the Yom Kippur war when Nixon was at the helm ? And thats why we've kept the aliens from Rosewell and their technology hidden all these years too.:)

anthony b

Do you want to know a nuclear warhead is on the way?

Here's the thing, and I don't know if its true, but I'm just speculating. All throughout history we've been lied to by our government, and it hasn't been all bad. Sometimes they lie because if they told us the truth, there would be widespread panic. Take the civil war for example. It was so downplayed by people of the time that the first few battles had spectators! Spectators in seats!(not so much after they got caught in crossfire) I don't know that this administration is doing any of this, but I think in general when your leader is vague about why he's doing something, we need to trust his judgement and not ask as many questions we might not want the answers to. We're probably already in Korea, but they haven't told us yet. Korea's probably a far bigger threat than we know, and they won't tell us that. But they figure if they can defuse the bomb before we ever hear about it, all the better, and they're right. Maybe. Just a thought. Who knows for sure? No one. Not the news reporters, not other internet writers, not your neighbor across the street. NO ONE.

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