Illegal Aliens: A Simple Solution

Ken, I would have gone into much more detail, but then it would have been too long. I didn't want to lose readers halfway through. But it's amazing that our congressmen are actually considering giving illegals social security benefits based on their fake S.S. numbers. Every one of these congressmen should be thrown out of office. It sickens me to see them pretend they want to solve our illegal immigration problems, then try to pass legislation like that.

Wow Dame, I love your passion. :)

I agree though, I mean, when the whole "immigrants are going on strike" thing happened last spring, I couldn't understand why anyone would care. I understand that these people want a better life, and that's a noble sentiment. But a heroin dealer wanting a better life through the selling of drugs is still, TADA! a criminal. There are ways to become a citizen of this country. We are happy and willing to take in anyone, hungry, poor, needy, tired, sick, whatever, so long as you go through the process that the rest of our ancestors had to go through.

I also understand that the Native Americans had to endure great tragedies at the hands of invaders of their land. What happened to them was a travesty, it was horrible, and we can never hope for their forgiveness for destroying their land, their culture, their families, their lives, their everything. But that's history, it cannot, unfortunately be erased, and we can only move on from here. Mistakes that were made hundreds of years ago cannot be justification for illegal immigrants to continue their crimes. Was California part of Mexico? Yes, but it hasn't been Mexico for hundreds of years, and that is also not a justification for commiting crimes. There is no justification whatsoever. None.

Antonia Dwells

And yet another brilliant comment, Antonia.

This is for all the people who are ignorant.
I will point a couple of things out about this article.
1. The term illegal ALIENS is plain stupid, this people wait let me correct that, MY people don't come from MARS or JUPITER.

2. Just because you're skin color is white nad you were born in the U.S.A doesn't mean that you didn't innmigrate this country. Let's go back in history and remember why THANKSGIVING was invented for. The pilgrims migrated from England to the U.S.A looking for a better life. SO YOU WHITE PEOPLE GAVE THE FIRST EXAMPLE, BUT WAIT SIMCE (NEW MEXICO, CALIFORNIA AND OTHER STATES ALREADY BELONG TO MEXICO AND THE U.S TOOK THEM AWAY. HELLO HELLO MEXICANS NEVER MIGRATED HERE FIRST!!!!)

3.IF YOU GUYS THINK THAT MEXICAN PEOPLE OR ILLEGAL PEOPLE ARE TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM YOU GUYS, THEN YOU KNOW WANT YOU ARE WRONG. YOU GUYS WHAT TO (CLEAN TOILETS, SWEEP THE FLOORS, CLEAN MILLIOAIRE'S HOUSES, FLIP BURGERS, PARK CARS, CLEAN THE STREETS, PICK UP CROPS AND WORK IN THE SUN WITHOUT SUNSCREEN? IF YOU DO LET ME KNOW!!!!!!!

ALL OF YOU SHOULD WATCH THE MOVIE "A DAY WITHOUT A MEXICAN"

Wow...I don't even know what to say. I'm glad you cleared everything up for us, cmofi.

First of all, the word "alien" is used in our laws when describing illegal immigrants, it is not just a word to describe life forms from other planets. So, YOUR comment was actually pretty stupid, not my use of the phrase "illegal alien."

Secondly, I am "white" and I was born in the U.S., so I actually am NOT an immigrant. Back in the 1600's, my ancestors did come to America, but that does not make ME an immigrant. And since I am not opposed to LEGAL immigration, I'm not sure how that is relevant to my article about ILLEGAL immigration. Furthermore, the U.S. did not just "take" land from Mexico. Wars were fought and land was exchanged according of the outcome. But don't forget that the U.S. PAID Mexico for this land as well. So, if you have a problem with the way it was acquired, please direct your complaints to the Mexican government.

Finally, I never said anything about Mexicans taking jobs away from us "white people." But since you've mentioned it...the presence of illegal aliens in our work force artificially depresses wages which results in many Americans not wanting to work the jobs you've listed above because they do not pay enough. It's not because we don't want to do them, we just don't want to do them for $5 an hour. That problem does not exist for illegal aliens because $5 an hour is, in many instances, about a 500% wage increase from the jobs in Mexico.

So, before you get angry at me and start talking about pilgrims and propaganda films, maybe you should re-read this article and try to comprehend what it was all about. If you are a knowledgeable citizen or legal immigrant to this country, you'd understand the points I'm making here. Thanks for taking the time to comment/vote.

I completely understand what your article says. I don't disagree the fact that some people come and destroy this country, and yes many of that people are immigrants. What I'm saying is you can't judge a whole group by a mistake made by 1.
Yes, some are criminals, Yes, many take welfare but many come and they work to have a better life. Yes, the jobs that I listed are low paying jobs, but the people who employed them they also exploit them. But, to an inmigrant a job is a job and if it requires you to sweat they don't care, because they want to work.

Recently I went to my country El Salvador and I saw the economy. The best paying job is $80 a week and everything is prized just like here, we use U.S Dollars.

So picture this, if you are unhappy in a place and you know that somewhere else you will be happy wouldn't you move? If my people know, that in our country we make $80 week and they can do the same job here but get pay $250.00 it's a better deal. True, I also agree that they should try to fix the government in their country. But, did the goverment asked the Salvadorean people: Do you want to get rid of Colones and use U.S dollars instead? No, they never did. Do you think Cubans can overthrow Fidel Castro? NO. Can Venezuelans overthrow Hugo Chavez? No.The government is full of corruption.

So you can't judge any one, specially in a country that is free of speech, religion without knowing what people are running from. My family run away from war a huge war that was killing innocent children and people food became scarce, no water only deseases.

At last, I'm not trying to make propaganda with the movie I mention before. That movie is more of an educational film, that teach people like you, because sweetie MEXICO is not the biggest country with immigrants. Is just that white people classifieds every hispanic person as Mexican. So your article is wrong.

P.S. I'm not angry at you, I will be if you were hispanic and now a citizen at this country and going against people that are immigrant. Then I will be mad.

Look, cmofi, I understand why people want to come here. I understand why people would want to leave their own country that is corrupt or poorly run. The problem is, we have laws that need to be followed, and illegal aliens do not follow them.

My article is not "wrong." It was not all about Mexicans. I used Mexico as an example of a mismanaged country and it's people were the example of a population with a flawed mentality of how to fix it. I never said all illegal aliens were Mexican. People CAN fix their country and it has been done before. Many corrupt governments have been overthrown throughout history, but none of them have been toppled by its citizens running away.

This article is not about immigration, it's about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. I don't care WHY these people want to come here, I already know. Why they are breaking the law has nothing to do with this argument. If a situation in a certain country becomes deadly to average citizens, they can claim asylum and come to our country anyway, so it's not a matter of safety. If they simply want to live better, they need to follow the proper procedures. We have laws and they need to be obeyed. There's no debating it.

And I don't need some stupid film (which I have seen) to educate me about illegal aliens. Also, I CAN judge anyone if I want because we do indeed have freedom of speech. However, I am not judging anybody here, I am only stating that we have a major problem and it needs to be corrected. If you don't recognize that, then I'm sorry. Illegal immigration is not only a problem for "white" people, it affects ALL of us.

YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE WHAT THEY SAY, YOU SHOULDN'T ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT.

P.S. FOR YOUR FYI. YOU CAN'T JUST COME TO THIS COUNTRY APPLY FOR ASSYLUM AND BECOME A CITIZEN OVERNIGHT, IT HAS TAKEN ME 17 YEARS TO BECOME A U.S RESIDENT.

LadyPeninhand

Blah, blah, blah, bloh, bloh, bloh, blog, blog, blog....

I'm sorry, cmofi. You have missed every point I've made. There's nothing more for me to say. You're right, I shouldn't argue with idiots. So, you, LadyPen, Antonia...find another Xombyte and leave your comments there.

LadyPeninhand

easily you fly off the handle...it so happened that I agreed with most all of your comments. I was simply blah, blah, blah-ing, at how blah, blah, blah this argument is....

"Never argue with an idiot, blah, blah, blah..."

(Sorry Mark...didn't mean to butcher your quote...but blah, blah, blah!! ;)

Well, then I'm sorry, Lady. I just get tired of all the stupid comments. I guess I figured the comment section was for constructive criticism, or at least a little humor. And I'm not flying off the handle, I'm just done trying to explain this article to cmofi...she obviously lacks comprehension skills.

LadyPeninhand

Yeah, obviously.....

No problem.....

We should make the "mexican" work available to our disenfranchised youth. Maybe this would instill values and curb drug use and gang participation. We don't need mexicans or anyone else, save for the people who come here legally and on the books.

I think aliens should have a rifle put in their hands as soon as they enter the country and be given a choice. Go off to the "front" and fight for the USA and become a citizen or be deported.

Also, people who say white people this and white people that should be the last ones to say others are lumping a whole group together. Actualy it is they who are the racists.

Supposedly there are over 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. If Pub. wants to kick all of them and their children out, that's probably at least 15 mill. What govt agency are you going to pull resources from to hunt down and evict all these people--Homeland Security? FBI? State police? Local police? Nothing simple about that.

Everyone blames the immigrants themselves but they don't address the other ILLEGAL part of the equation--the employers who are all too happy to break the law to save money on their payroll. Pub. touches on this, but only briefly. The immigrants come because they know someone will pay them to work. The govt needs to start putting some real penalties on employers for hiring illegals, then immigrants will have less incentive to come in.

I don't think you're going to find any American youth who are going to do the jobs many of these illegals do--unless they're in jail and are forced to do it. They're dirty, dangerous jobs (often illegally dangerous) that pay illegally low wages. So if all the illegals are deported, get ready to pay higher prices for foods, housecleaning, etc., since the replacements will have to be paid more than the sub-minimum wages the illegals were paid.

And I'm with ya, Idle.

Idle, I appreciate your comments. When I said deport the illegals, I didn't mean for the government to go out there and start a massive search and deport mission. But when these illegal aliens are discovered they should be deported. Instead, they are given a court date for whatever law they've broken and they never show up. Or if they are discovered by the S.S. administration using a fake S.S. number, a letter is sent to the employer that the number is invalid, but no action is ever taken to get rid of them. If these people are discovered and deported and if employers were prosecuted for hiring them, it would help out a lot. We already have agencies to do this but they aren't allowed to do their job.

As far as low wages...the reason they're low is because the workers are illegal and the employers can get away with it. If they are forced to hire legal workers and they have to pay them more, so be it. I don't think low prices in the produce department justify breaking our federal laws. Personally, I don't subscribe to the theory that all our produce prices will greatly increase. Farmers will find a way through technology to keep prices reasonable. They've done it before.
I don't think you're giving them enough credit.

OK, I understand what you mean, but these solutions will take a long, long time, especially for the illegal immigrants to be identified one or two or 10 at a time. Same thing with farmers raising productivity--that will come gradually, while having to hire higher-wage employees will happen more quickly. If a company loses 10 employees caught by the INS, it may have to pay the 10 replacements twice what it was paying the illegals. Lots of people won't do work that they feel is too hard or is beneath them, unless it pays well.

And the temptation to save money is limited not just to factories and farms--look at all the wealthy people who get caught hiring illegal aliens as household help, when they could easily afford to hire legal workers. Or they avoid paying the workers' social security even though they have the $$ to do so.

I definitely agree that low prices don't justify breaking the law. If people have to get used to paying more for stuff because it's produced by legal workers, then they'll just have to deal with it.

I don't think I missed you. I wondered where you went. It really wasn't your voice I missed. I guess it was the supercillious attitude. But maybe I didn't miss that too much either. So welcome back, huh?

I thought of you and Pub as I was reading SCIENCE and thought of you two youngsters as I read the report on page 452 of Science Vol. 314, 20 October 2006. There is a nice little article discussing our cloudy future as the CO2 rises, as the temperatures really climb. There is an interest in engineering some mitigation possibly with sulphate aerosols realeased in the stratosphere.

Risky IMHO and a choice I would rather not see engaged, but I'll be gone by the time it would likely be attempted. The proposition is authored by T.M.L. Wigley at NCAR at Boulder. A lot of the thesis is based on the 1991 Pinatubo elevated sulphate aerosols which did such a great job in masking the overall global temperature rise.

After 9/ll and the grounding of aircraft the aerosols were also diminished and the effect small but clearly measureable.
It is entitled "A Combined Mitigation/Geoengineering Approach to Climate Stablization." I know it was published on line the 14th, but I read it in print in the 20 October 2006.

Other than that, what is to miss? I know, I know.

I clicked on an ad link for you, so take some of that money and give it to an American child who's parents were deported. That's one of the issues that's never talked about when the mass deportation issue is brought up (I know you aren't advocating that, but I'm speaking generally). The kids of the undocumented (aren't I progressive?) who are born here are Americans, no matter how their folks got here. What's to be done with them?
It's a tricky issue, as I can see both sides. It's a good thing the lastest season of Lost is here, or else I'd have to do too much thinking

I thought your light had faded in the night.

he got himself banned like the others (no 'Lost" connection intended), but figured he was just taking a leave of absence from school to burn immigrants' homes down and toast marshmallows over them, as he's mentioned in the past. ;-)

But seriously, one of those recently exiled has seemingly returned...it can't be my imagination...with a possible gender change, no less? Maybe the 'Lost' producers could work the Xomba saga into a story line... Well, gotta go eat my fish biscuit...

Antonia Dwells

"I still find it terribly ironic that people leave stupid comments on a guy's xombyte who wrote a xombyte about stupid comments."

It's becoming a puzzle box.

The Saga continues in the town of Irving in Texas....

You might be interesting in these viewpoints on the situation there.

http://www.xomba.com/life_under_the_radar

http://www.xomba.com/irving_no_good_solutions

http://www.xomba.com/2000_protest_program_to_deport_criminal_illegal_aliens

Angel