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Islamic Fascism and the Ron Paul Solution

posted January 13, 2008 - 2:04pm
Islamic Fascism and the Ron Paul Solution

I like Ron Paul. Yes, I said it. I think he’s a solid conservative and he seems like he believes what he says and says what he believes. I think he would be a good leader and talk honestly with the American People. He seems like the kind of guy that could have a drink at the local pub and shoot the breeze with the customers…and even give them a few good jabs or rip into them for their misguided views. He’s passionate about economic stability and prosperity, fiscal responsibility, personal responsibility, and restoring greatness to our country.

A good portion of his foreign policy is sound as well. I like his idea of letting Israel stand up for themselves without our interference or permission. I like that he wants to stop sending aid to nations and governments who are not our allies. I like that he cares more about the greatness of our country rather than financially supporting countries with despotic regimes or corrupt governments and giving away our taxpayer dollars to many other nations when we are already in monstrous debt. These are good principles to stand on and I applaud the fact that he is committed to them. I would really like to vote for Ron Paul for the title of President of the United States. Even so, I will be voting for another candidate because of this:

He has a fundamental flaw with his beliefs about Islamic fascism and the threat it poses to the rest of the world.

For some reason, Ron Paul believes that it is United States foreign policy that provokes or creates Islamic extremists and that these people, if left alone, will not threaten us in any significant way. This belief that he and many other Americans hold is not only factually incorrect, but it is a deal-breaker for most Republican voters. It is not a position that can or will be supported by Republicans and should not be supported by any informed American. The history if Islamic fascism started not because of American influence, but perhaps because of a lack of it.

The fact of the matter is that the current beliefs held by radical Islamists have their roots in Nazi German philosophy. It was Hitler’s influence (particularly his book, Mein Kampf) on Arab Muslim leaders in the late 1930’s that led to the extremist Muslim philosophies that have become more prevalent in the Middle East and the surrounding regions. Claiming that Western influence - or the influence of the United States in particular - is the cause of radical Islamists cannot be farther from the truth. The United States government was practically uninvolved in Europe and the Middle East when Hitler was rising to power and when he was aligning with Arab nations and religious leaders.

Islamic fascism has been learned and propagated throughout the Middle East and beyond by Muslim teachers and clerics that believe in the idea of Hitler’s anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, and anti-democratic principles. It is in fact the Western way of life that Islamic fascists despise, but it’s not because of our foreign policies. Islamo-fascists despise us because we are seen as a threat to their way of life due to the effectiveness of the Islamist propaganda that was learned from the most definitive propagandist machine ever known to man: the German Nazis. This fascist ideology and the propaganda techniques that ultimately spread it have been co-opted by radical, power-hungry, Muslim clerics who unabashedly inculcate this dogma in their mosques from Indonesia to London.

The only connection that Western policies have with Islamic extremists is the fact that our policies give them additional propaganda to use in their efforts to reach out to more Muslims, not to actually create the initial radicalized sentiment. They use our policies as an added excuse to attack anything that bears the name of the United States or our allies that support and interact with us. However, our policies don’t compel them to do anything they wouldn’t otherwise do. The extremist views have already been learned, adopted, practiced, and taught for a few generations. They are the same views that guided the Nazis’ lust for world domination, except the Islamist views are embedded in religious philosophy instead of secular beliefs – making it much more dangerous and harder to defeat.

Today’s Islamic fascism is not represented by an industrialized nation with a sole military and political figure at the helm that can be beaten with a unified external effort. Islamic fascism is taught by religious leaders and educators as being an integral part of Islam itself and the movement is widespread with no single identifiable head or nation. The believers think that they are being targeted by the infidels and they commit their murders in the name of Allah in order to preserve their religion and culture. Radical Islamists are taught that their actions are in defense of Islam and the only way to save their religion is to destroy anyone who is perceived to threaten it. Death is of no consequence for them because dying for the greatness of Islam is the ultimate sacrifice for Allah and will ensure them a glorious afterlife.

When you combine these ingredients – Arab nationalism, fascist ideology straight from the Nazi handbook, extreme propaganda and the indoctrination of children, a religion with a brutal history and violent teachings that serves as the ultimate authority, and the glorification of death – the possibilities of world tension and inevitable confrontation increase dramatically, as well as the willingness of the extremists to battle to their last breath. We have already seen the beginning, but the end is far from being in sight.

The intentions of the Islamic fascists are clear, and the attacks and threat of future aggressions are very real. Isolating ourselves or ignoring the threat will do nothing to prevent the continued indoctrination of young Muslims and will not prevent future confrontations with us or our allies around the world. It did not work when we faced the same type of ideology leading up to World War II and it will not work today. Ron Paul and the American People who believe that we simply need to focus on our own geographic borders in order to avoid the assaults from Islamic fascists have neither learned from the mistakes of our past, nor have they learned from the mistakes of European nations that allowed Hitler and Nazi Germany to overrun Europe.

So, my inability to vote for Congressman Paul is not based on the entirety of his foreign policy. More accurately, it is his reluctance to acknowledge the severity of Islamo-fascist ideology that, at the end of the day, destroys his credibility on foreign affairs. The writing is on the wall and he either cannot read it, or worse, refuses to read and accept it. When one of the primary goals of our federal government and the office of the President is to protect and defend our nation, ignoring one of the most obvious threats to the civilized world will effectively guarantee defeat in the ballot booth. But if that stated fact ever proves to be inaccurate, then we truly are facing the potential destruction of our free and prosperous culture.



Comments

I see you believe attacking the messenger is adequate defense

Your political positions aside, you attack the messenger (me) instead of the message. Just like your incomplete threads on the illegality of the Iraq War, where you disappeared from the discussion as soon as the argument went way against you, here you are attacking me personally (ad hominem) by calling my intelligence and reading comprehension into question without addressing most or all of what I have written. Then, by ignoring what I have written, you throw your hands into the air and exclaim that I have added nothing to discussion. Further, just as with your incomplete threads on the illegality of the Iraq War, where your anti-Muslim bias was evident, you launch into a tirade against what you call "Islamofascism" and give an unsupportable theory for reasons that it came about while ignoring the historical context. Just like in your Iraq War articles, you start your "investigation" with the end in mind and reject anything that does not support "the Gospel of St. Publius". For instance, you claim that it was Hitler's Mein Kampf and plain old Nazism that served as the basis for the anti-Jewish and anti-Christian sentiments in "Islamofascism". Yet, you ignore the historical animosity between the Houses of Isaac and Ishmael, as told since Old Testament Biblical times. You also ignore the historical animosity between Islam and Christianity going back to the Crusades. Ignoring the historical context may make what you've posited make sense, but it doesn't tell the whole story. By ignoring the historical basis of "Islamofascism", you lose perspective on how to best deal with it. You are so busy trying to "fix" everything in the world under Pax Americana that you don't understand that it is not something that is "fixed" by our being there. The world will not be made a better place by the United States meddling in the internal affairs of sovereign countries and/or bringing "democracy" to the world at the point of a bayonet. I don't have to know about you personally because I know you "by the fruit of your tree". You may be able to put up a false front as to your experience and identity, but you are transparent to those of us who have actually been there. (By the way, I NEVER said you were not in the military. I said that you probably got your medical discharge very early in your enlistment and that you didn't get the opportunity to be stationed outside of CONUS. The fact that you continue to avoid responding to the question and obfuscated the point is proof enough.) Click here if you have something to say and want to get paid to say it!

Ad hominems? From me??? Not

Ad hominems? From me??? Not here. If I recall correctly, it was you that was trying to pass this article off as some racist theory I have about Arabs and Muslims. It is not my fault you cannot comprehend what was written in this article. And as far as your assumptions about me... Do you know me? Have we met before and discussed my past? Are you so sure that I've never been to the Middle East? (Just like you were so sure I was never in the military?) But just for the sake of argument, how would it better qualify you to speak about Islamic fascism just because you have been to the Middle East? (Especially considering that you seem to not even understand or acknowledge the fact that Islamic fascism is indeed real.) I've been to Amarillo, Texas twice. Does that make me any more of an expert on Texans or Amarillo than you? Like I said...your argument is pathetic (and factually incorrect) and your comprehension of this article was entirely inept at best. Once again, thank you for adding nothing to this discussion. Please do me a favor and stop commenting on my articles unless you can actually comprehened the content. At this point I have nothing more to say to you except: Grow up.

I wouldn't expect anything less than ad hominems from you...

You gloss over the fact that most of what you consider to be in the realm of "Islamofascism" can and has been applied to other races, ethnicities, and religions throughout history, yet we are supposed to believe that "Islamofascism" and "Islamofascism" alone is going to kill us all because you say so. The bitter fact that EVERY SINGLE OTHER CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW has no other solution for dealing with the situation in the Middle East besides more troops and keeping the option of nuking Iran on the table. Ron Paul's plan for dealing with militant Arabs is to not antagonize them and to take away their reasons for feeling they need to act on their feelings. THAT is the common sense approach. It is also blatantly obvious that you believe that the United States should meddle in the internal affairs of other countries and force other people to live a certain way or suffer the consequences. People like you are the reason we are losing our Constitutional rights and liberties--the exact same tell-everyone-how-to-live policy that you champion for our foreign policy is also what is being used to take away our rights as domestic policy. You are so busy hating Muslims that you fail to understand that the same government that is over in Iraq and Afghanistan killing Muslims is back here in this country trying to find ways to stoke anti-Muslim sentiments and create fear among the population to get us to fork over more rights in the name of "homeland security". But, like I said, you have never been to the Middle East, so it is unlikely that you've ever spoken with an Arab in an Arab country about things going on in Arab countries. It is easier for you to sit behind your computer and formulate opinions about Arabs from biased sources instead of getting your facts yourself. It is easier for you to want to nuke people--people just like you or me--if you can dehumanize them behind some "us versus them" rhetoric. Further, unless the US military has developed weapons of mass destruction that can single out "Islamofascists" but leave innocent Arabs alone without killing them too, your kill 'em all rhetoric for dealing with the "Islamofascists" also means killing thousands, if not millions, of innocent people. But, as long as we kill the "bad guys" from behind a computer, then innocent people being murdered is okay, eh? Call me whatever names you want--I don't care because your opinion about me means less than what I scoop out of my cats' litterbox. I have actual military experience in the Middle East--unlike you--and I haven't lost my humanity when it comes to dealing with other races, creeds, and cultures--also unlike you. By the way, I've already voted absentee for Ron Paul, so the blood on the hands of this government for genocidal actions in the Middle East will be on your hands and not mine. Click here if you have something to say and want to get paid to say it!

Wow...now that is an

Wow...now that is an outstanding example of my "anti-Arab bias". Are you serious? Do I really have to explain to you in childlike terminology what that meant? Well, I'll do my best... When you combine these ingredients... That means, when you combine the following elements that are listed immediately after. ...Arab nationalism... This means, Arabs having a strong devotion to national interests, unity, and independence. By the way, many people feel this way about their country or culture. I was speaking of Arabs because a very large majority of them are Muslim and their religion originated in that region. They are part of the topic of discussion in this article. ...fascist ideology straight from the Nazi handbook... This means, the Islamic fascists learned their current ideologies from their teachers - the fascist, German Nazis. The Nazi ideology was (as I said in the article) very anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, and anti-democracy. Islamic fascists have adopted those same ideologies. (Notice I said "Islamic fascists" and not "Arabs" or "Muslims".) ...extreme propaganda and the indoctrination of children... This means, the propaganda spread by radicals to foment anger and hatred toward other cultures. This also applies to the children that are taught from birth to hate Jews and Western cultures, because it is us that is supposedly trying to eliminate Muslim culture according to them. ("Them" being the radicals who spread the propaganda.) ...a religion with a brutal history and violent teachings that serves as the ultimate authority... If you've ever read the Qu'ran, you'd know what I'm speaking of. Have other religions had eras of violence? Sure...but we're not discussing Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, or Shinto here. We're discussing radical Islamic ideology. ...and the glorification of death... (Notice the "and" here - we'll get to that in a moment.) It is no secret that extremists view death favorably and preach the greatness of becoming a martyr. According to these radicals, dying in a jihad for Allah is the greatest sacrifice one can make. It does not matter whether you blow up innocent children, it is all done to please Allah and to gain glory in the afterlife. Now, about the "and". Here's the qualifying statement: When you combine these ingredients... (The ones mentioned above.) ...the possibilities of world tension and inevitable confrontation increase dramatically... So, when you put everything together, it becomes very apparent that an undesirable outcome will be almost unavoidable. It has nothing to do with only Arabs or only Muslims. It has nothing to do with only propaganda or only fascism. But when you combine ALL of it, then you get the final thought. So your pathetic little attempt to prove my alleged "Arab bias" is strikingly ignorant and well grounded in sheer inanities. But hey...I wouldn't expect anything less from you.

Proof of your Anti-Arab bias

You claim that your article only speaks to certain elements of the Arab population, yet your words say otherwise: Quote:When you combine these ingredients – Arab nationalism, fascist ideology straight from the Nazi handbook, extreme propaganda and the indoctrination of children, a religion with a brutal history and violent teachings that serves as the ultimate authority, and the glorification of death – the possibilities of world tension and inevitable confrontation increase dramatically, as well as the willingness of the extremists to battle to their last breath. We have already seen the beginning, but the end is far from being in sight. Arab Nationalism According to you, nationalism is okay as long as you are not Arab. How about Israel as a Jewish Nationalistic state? No, the fact that you singled out Arabs shows inherent bias. Extreme Propaganda and Indoctrination of Children So, according to you, Christian Sunday School and Homeschooling can both be considered anti-American because both teach values that can arbitrarily be considered extreme indoctrination. A religion with a brutal history and violent teachings that serves as the ultimate authority Christianity brought the world the Crusades in which tens of thousands of Jews and Muslims were slaughtered and the Inquisition in which tens of thousands of Jews, Muslims, and Christians were systematically tortured and murdered. Judaism brought us Jewish Supremacy (by certain adherents), monetary control of the world's currency by private, often Jewish banking families, the Apartheid State of Israel that was established on traditional Palestinian Arab lands, AIPAC which exerts untoward influence among lawmakers in Washington, and permanent unrest in the Middle East because Israel has nuclear weapons and no one else is allowed to have similar weapons for self-defense. The fact that you are railing against the influence of an ethnic group just because certain adherents espouse rhetoric that makes you uncomfortable, yet fail to apply that same criteria to other ethnic groups for the exact same reasons shows your anti-Arab bias. A case can be made from the viewpoint of any religion to show bias by other religions, yet you choose to ignore that fact and focus on the cause celebre and bash Arabs. Lastly, ANY belief system can be influenced and altered to support the needs of those seeking power. George Bush stated that God told him personally to attack Iraq: BUSH TELLS PALESTINIAN PM GOD MADE HIM ATTACK IRAQ... If we are to still allow Bush to serve as president after making this statement, yet declare Osama bin Laden a threat to the United States for not taking Bush at his word, then there is something wrong with your theory. Click here if you have something to say and want to get paid to say it!

I see you've resorted to partial debating yourself...

You have returned to your let's nuke all the Arabs starting with Iraq because they all secretly hate us rhetoric, just as you did in your incomplete defense of the still-illegal Iraq War. You posit a theory without any evidentiary support and ignore ANY OTHER reason why some groups might be peeved at the United States (hint: it's not because they "hate our freedoms"). How about Judeo-Fascism? You don't hear that phrase often because it would expose the NeoCon agenda in Washington, which you seem to espouse in this article. How about the conclusion of our own government in Washington that it was our FOREIGN POLICY that partially led to the attacks on 9/11? That very report coming from the Administration you've defended in this and other articles is part of the same argument that Dr. Paul has made as reason not to get involved in the Middle East. If you say that Dr. Paul is wrong for this part of his position, then you refute the foreign policy of George Bush, which therefore refutes the entire basis for your argument here. If Dr. Paul were so off-base, there wouldn't be a concerted effort amongst media outlets to deny him ANY publicity. In every single legitimate poll conducted independent of Faux News he has competed well, if not won outright. You can't say that for Rudy Julie Annie or any of the other "serious" contenders. Just because the Inner Party wants to tell us for whom we should vote doesn't mean that we should let them; that is the position of someone who believes in a bona fide multi-party Constitutional Republic--you would rather that we close the debate to anyone who doesn't want to stick his fingers in everyone's pies. You would probably not support George Washington either, since he warned against both standing armies and entangling alliances. The Foreign Policy of Ron Paul Quote:As a matter of fact, in videotaped messages before and after 9/11, bin Laden explained his beef with the United States. In several videotaped messages since 9/11 bin Laden gave very different, specific reasons for the attack, to wit: the U.S.-led embargo of humanitarian aid to Iraq in the 1990s following Gulf War I (in hopes that starving, illness-crazed Iraqis would arise to overthrow Saddam Hussein), later replaced with a corrupt and equally ineffective U.N. food-and-medicine-for-oil program, which together were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children; America's unwavering Israel-first Middle-East foreign policy which has so often ignored the rights of Palestinians and which contributes to so much instability in the region, and the continued, growing presence of U.S. military bases in the Middle East, specifically in Saudi Arabia, the holiest lands in Islam. http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/15/ron-paul-vs-giuliani-on-the-root-causes-of-terrorism/ Quote:Osama Doesn't Hate Our Freedom Page 8: The fundamental flaw in our thinking about Bin Laden is that "Muslims hate and attack us for what we are and think, rather than what we do." Muslims are bothered by our modernity, democracy, and sexuality, but they are rarely spurred to action unless American forces encroach on their lands. It's American foreign policy that enrages Osama and al-Qaida, not American culture and society. Page 11-13: How is the United States threatening Muslim lands? The post-9/11 crackdowns on Muslim charities have effectively ended tithing, which is one of the five pillars of Islam; our casual denunciations of "jihad" sneer at a central tenet of the Muslim faith. America supports corrupt anti-Muslim governments in Uzbekistan and China, "apostate" governments in the Middle East, and the new Christian state of East Timor. And, above all, it continues to house occupying forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. http://www.slate.com/id/2103748/ Quote:By all accounts, we have squandered whatever international sympathy, empathy and goodwill may have existed immediately after 9/11. Thus completing this miserable trifecta, our policies and presence in Iraq have exponentially increased an environment of Islamic hatred of the United States, which creates a greater likelihood of future terrorist attacks on our soil - “here” - no matter how long and how purposefully we fight them “there.” Author and professor Chalmers Johnson calls the destructive result of our actions “blowback,” a term first used by the CIA in the 1950s to describe the consequences of its (our) meddling in international affairs. In his 2000 book of the same name, the first of a trilogy meticulously detailing of the imperial nature of what by all accounts is now the empire of the United States, Johnson describes many instances of blowback, of which 9/11 is but the most recent. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=22422 A logical person cannot accept that 9/11 or the anti-US rhetoric in action in the Middle East doesn't have additional causes besides "Islamo-Fascism". You bias against the policies of Dr. Paul aside, every position every other candidate running for president ends up with an expanded, indefinitely-run war in the Middle East. THOSE candidates are sure to bring more death and destruction upon the United States and US interests--not the other way around. Then, again, you've never been to the M.E., so you can't speak of anything firsthand. Click here if you have something to say and want to get paid to say it!

Well, jdub, it's apparent

Well, jdub, it's apparent that you have reverted to your old debating ways. Let's start with the subject line of your comment: "Your apparent hatred for other races and cultures aside..." Apparent hatred? Where exactly did you read about my apparent hatred for Arabs or Muslims? Please point that out to me. "You clearly ignore...that the United States dances to the tune played by Israel in Jerusalem." I understand that you believe there is some sort of secret Jewish dominance in American politics, but I wouldn't get too cozy with those beliefs then tell me that somehow I have hatred for other races or cultures. Hitler also believed that Jews were secretly influencing the whole of society...and he bestowed this mentality unto the Muslim leaders he aligned with in the 30's and 40's. That being said...how could we be puppets of Israeli politics if we are the ones who tell them when they can or cannot defend themselves and how to do it? "If the theory you put forth were true, there would have been acts of terrorism against the United States and general anti-US sentiment in the Middle East prior to 1948." The counterintuitiveness of this statement is appalling. If you understood the history of Islamic fascism, you would see your error here. Also, terrorism is just the modern tactic for people who do not have the means for typical military warfare. "There is a HUGE difference between not antagonizing...and sticking one's head into the sand and ignoring possible threats." I agree. And Ron Paul would rather do the latter since he seems to believe that it is only United States foreign policy that compels extremists to carry out radical agendas and commit depraved acts. Which U.S. foreign policy forces radical Muslims to shoot school children in the back and behead teachers or journalists? (Now, before you answer that, I'm sure you're aware that we both know they kill children, teachers, and journalists that are not American.) "Saying that ALL Arabs are terrorists because of the desperate actions of a few Arabs is like saying ALL Americans are megalomaniacal assholes because of a few politicians in Washington." I agree with that as well. But I have NEVER made the argument - or even hinted at it - that "ALL Arabs are terrorists". And I resent the fact that you try to portray me as a racist or bigot, despite the fact that I am very clear to point out that it is radical Muslims I'm referring to throughout the article. This type of debating tactic you are using here is very cheap and utterly inane. Don't expect to get any more responses if it continues.

Sorry jim_free... There was

Sorry jim_free... There was nothing racist, or even remotely racist in this article. If you were able to comprehend what you've read, you would clearly see that I certainly was not "attacking Islam and Muslims as a whole". My article was referring to the people who pervert the religion and use it as a basis for hatred and aggression toward others. Try reading it again.

Your apparent hatred for other races and cultures aside...

You clearly ignore the underlying basis for anti-American bias, namely the appearance that the United States dances to the tune played by Israel in Jerusalem. If the theory you put forth were true, there would have been acts of terrorism against the United States and general anti-US sentiment in the Middle East prior to 1948. Further, you confuse not meddling in the independent affairs of sovereign nations with so-called isolationism. There is a HUGE difference between not antagonizing other countries by poking them with a political stick and sticking one's head into the sand and ignoring possible threats. I've actually been the the Middle East and have actually spoken with Arabs in their own countries. Saying that ALL Arabs are terrorists because of the desperate actions of a few Arabs is like saying ALL Americans are megalomaniacal assholes because of a few politicians in Washington. I know I am not one, so that refutes your theory. [url=http://www.xomba.com/referral/77778c2e]Click here if you have something to say and want to get

Muslims are not terrorists

jkassem Dear friend, I see that you are attacking Islam and Muslims as a whole without justified reasons, and the smell of racism is significant in your article. Please read the history of the nations carefuly and you will find that Muslims are peacefull people. Gama kassem

jkassem

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