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Listen stupid, links aren't information!

posted November 6, 2006 - 11:51am
Listen stupid, links aren't information!

When I signed up for this site, I expected to engage in interesting back-and-forth with well-educated, well-read, writers. As writers, I figured the people I encountered here would realize that when you write a factual article, even an editorial, it is necessary to include facts.

This is true even in reply to an article that includes factual material, if one wishes to pose a counter-argument. You must back up your argument or it is just a hollow shell of an opinion and not worth the memory space it is stored in.

I've seen many, many people here claim to back up their theories and opinions with "facts" in the form of links to other sites. These are not facts! They are lists of places where I might go and GET facts, but they are not facts themselves!

Listen stupid, links aren't information! And they're not good writing!

As writers, when we write about non-fiction, we become REPORTERS. We can write editorials, but we must still REPORT. To report something is to read all the information yourself, SYNTHESIZE IT, and report it back in such a way that the general public can read your article and know some substantial portion of the information you learned by doing the research. Then, if you want to provide links where I can go and verify your sources, or read further on the topic, that's a wonderful thing!

Readers want to read information, not a list of places to go get information. Links are not informative and they cannot substitute for good, fact-filled reporting. Let's all try to be better writers and let's all try harder to do the leg-work necessary to be better writers.


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No mistakes here

Only 12 year olds say omfg and rofl. Anywhere, anytime. Period. "Thank you for driving carefully through the villiage." That's what the sign says.

again, you are mistaking

again, you are mistaking comments for articles. you seem to think that the comments themselves have to have the same kind of high standard as the articles do. most comments are informal, by their very nature. i don't know why this is such a problem for you. we aren't in school, we're not being graded for our comments. this is were we have a "dialogue" with the author. it isn't meant to be a bunch of mini-articles. as such, there is nothing patently wrong w/ using net-speak. or again, am i missing something?

You're correct, mobius, I

You're correct, mobius, I made the mistake myself. Once. I'm not always a great writer, I'll admit it, sometimes I slack. Another thing that makes me not take you seriously though? Using "words" like omfg and rofl. Are you 12? "Thank you for driving carefully through the villiage." That's what the sign says.

OMFG!!!!

actually, ken, after reading the following comment you made on another topic, i have to agree completely w/ this article: "Oh, and I hope you were serious about global warming. That's the biggest sham ever concocted. If anyone disagrees I'd like you to read State of Fear by Michael Crichton and follow up on even 1 or 2 of his references.(its a damn great story too)" good way to prove a point. this isn't even a LINK. rofl!!!! (in all fairness, i'll say that the topic this comes from had nothing to do w/ global warming. but still!)

i'm sure if i made an

i'm sure if i made an article calling people stupid i'd get just as many views and comments as you do. i took it personal and you just admitted that yes it was personally about me (amongst others). so what was your point? *yawn* but whatever, this article has already gotten way more attention than it deserves. if you don't like comments that are links, then so be it. but if the links are meant to provide information about your article, and/or specifically designed to argue a point about your article, then i think it's disengenous to simply ignore them and call the person stupid for providing them. why do you need someone to chew up another person's article and regurgitate it for you like mommy bird spitting in lil baby bird's mouth? maybe some of us don't feel like writing several pages of exposition as a comment.

Ken, I'll have to agree with

Ken, I'll have to agree with you on this one. I get a lot of these links in my comment sections and I've never been to one of them. Some people here believe that's how you write persuasive arguments. If there's a subject I need information about, I'll look it up myself. I don't provide links to my articles because I figured the readers would be responsible enough to do their own research if they're interested. A lot of my xombytes are opinions anyway, so there's really no reason to link a bunch of websites that nobody's going to visit. When people try to debate by website-linking, it reminds me of John Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign. Oh, I'll give you a ten. Just for calling people stupid.

Silly smurf, it is just a

Silly smurf, it is just a catch phrase. "Thank you for driving carefully through the villiage." That's what the sign says.

mobius, I'm sorry you take

mobius, I'm sorry you take this article as a personal attack, it was not meant as such. I don't honestly care enough about you or your ramblings to devote an entire post to either. yes, you are guilty of this, but many many others are as well. its been on my mind for a long time now. I think I made my point on both articles AND comments. "Thank you for driving carefully through the villiage." That's what the sign says.

Agree...sort of

I agree with the basic idea behind this article, however, the technique you use to get your point across is not a strong one. Sure, I suppose throwing the word "stupid" in the mix or title will get hits. You started off by saying you "expected to engage in interesting back-and-forth with well-educated, well-read, writers". Does this post fall under that criteria? I am not offended or trying to get into a big debate here, most of this article is very well written. In my own opinion though, calling someone or several people stupid isn't information either.

In the tradition of "... for Dummies"

and "The Complete Idiot's Guide to...," check your local bookstore for Mr. Ken Light's new series of instructional books, "Listen Stupid,..." ;-)

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