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McCain and Obama May Both Be Ineligible To Be President Based On Not Being Natural Born Americans

posted September 15, 2008 - 12:18pm
McCain and Obama May Both Be Ineligible To Be President Based On Not Being Natural Born Americans

One of the more bizarre stories of the '08 Campaign is that both candidates eligibility to be President are called into question. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone a year before legislation was enacted to include anyone born there as a natural citizen. Obama claims to have been born in Hawaii but there seems to be evidence indicating the possibility that his birth certificate is a forgery. It has been suggested he was born in either Kenya or Canada. There is a lawsuit filed that Obama is supposed to answer to by September 24th. The McCain matter has been spoken of before, including during his 1980 campaign

As for McCain, a number of analysts say it's a valid argument. A law was passed when he was a year old stating that anybody born in the Panama Canal zone to U.S. parents is a U.S. citizen, but there are those who argue that it doesn't make him a "natural born citizen" as required in Article 2 of the Constitution. Still others say the law is worthless altogether because you can't legally pass legislation which contradicts the Constitution. You have to amend the Constitution.

However, in reality, that type of legislation has been going on for years. For instance, the country is not supposed to go to war without a formal declaration by Congress, yet Korea, Vietnam, and Gulf Wars 1 & 2, Afghanistan, and other conflicts have taken place, despite
going against the Constitution. (That's why protesters will cite these as, "illegal wars".)

In reality, don't expect anything to force the candidates out of the race, but if there were legal findings showing them disqualified, before the election, the Party leaders could substitute their replacements. After the election, even before the inaugeraton, the vice president elect would take the Presidential oath on Inauguration Day, or would be otherwise sworn in if the legal declaration occurred after the inauguration.

Now clearly there is no one further from a Constitutional scholar than myself, and I'm just reporting on things I've read on the internet, but the part that really confuses me is that party leadership, the National Committees would decide who the candidate is if something happened to a candidate before the election.
Based on what authority? If memory serves, there is no mention of Parties in the Constitution. But I guess I'm being silly, thinking that the Constitution would be come into play. What was I thinking? Silly me.

Right now, the Constitution is just a good idea. It's been steadily usurped for several decades by the various branches of government. These last 8 years have absolutely
decimated whatever was left of it.

I just wonder if it's a globalist F.You in yo face kind of joke to give us both candidates who may very well be ineligible to the hold the office. Who says the New World Order doesn't have a sense of humor?

Here's a link to an article on the Philip Berg suit Vs. Barack Obama: http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/obama-not-qualified-for-presidency-lawsuit-philip-j-berg-expedited-discovery-september-10-2008-seeks-deposition-of-barack-obama-and-howard-dean-by-end-of-month-jeff-schreiber-explains/

Here's a link to a discussion page about John McCain:
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/94/messages/boards/thread/4192343


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I linked an article about this very thing...

Here is an abstract regarding McCain's citizenship vis-a-vis the Constitution and children born within the Panama Canal Zone, written by a legal scholar: Why Senator John McCain Cannot Be President: Eleven Months and a Hundred Yards Short of Citizenship Here is a link to the Stanford Law School download site, if you want to download the PDF file of the whole document: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID1157621_code575020.pdf?abstractid=1157621&mirid=5 DO YOU HAVE THE WRITE STUFF?

Anybody can say anything

I don't see anything written in this article to indicate that there's a problem. There's no legal interpretation or hard evidence or sources noted in this article, just speculation. "A number of analysts say," "there are those who argue," etc. ...yes, anyone can set up a Web site saying this or that, but that doesn't mean those people have any credibility. The Washington Post, among others, did an article on McCain's citizenship when he ran for president in 2000 and didn't seem to find a problem with it. Same with Obama: you write "there seems to be evidence indicating the possibility that his birth certificate is a forgery," "it has been suggested ..." , etc. This is all just speculation. Who is suggesting this "evidence"? How credible is the so-called "possibility"? Do the people making these claims have any credibility or expertise?

Politics are there to muddy the waters

Neither the Republicans nor Democrats want to publicize the other candidate's citizenship because it would call attention to their own candidate's dubious qualification. Therefore, we probably won't hear much about this for the current election cycle. Once we enter the next election cycle, I'd bet that there is more scrutiny. Right now, there isn't much of substance being discussed in the political commercials, except pot stirring and smoke blowing. Most Americans get their information on the issues and candidates from those commercials, so calling the truth of citizenship/qualifications into question would only serve to further muddy the waters in the mind of the average voter. DO YOU HAVE THE WRITE STUFF?

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