Operation Northwoods

There are many examples in the 20th Century of American military officers writing "theoretical" papers that were later implemented to some degree in attacks on U.S. soil. Northwoods is a good example. Similarly, the attack on Pearl Harbor was the culmination of an 8-point plan to get Japan into the war. (Written: October 7, 1940) The next day, Roosevelt implemented it and all eight steps were eventually put into action. The rest is history.

Here is an interesting link to information and a video about the role our own government, namely Roosevelt, played in the events leading up to the "Day of Infamy":
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html?q=pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html

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I do not get into these conspiracy theories of how our own government wanted to go to war so let some other nation attack us to get a war started. Those are ideas of a criminal mind, a good television writer or a tweaker up for days who thinks of this stuff because they haven't gone to bed and got any rest for twelve years.

But to each his own. It is only sad that individuals who promote this kind of crap give fuel to the enemy and our soldiers and are fighting the same war you say traitors to our nation started. I would classify those individuals as the traitors to our Nation.

Hey jdib what did you do in the Navy? Because it was an army air core officer who wrote how the attack on Pearl Harbor would happen about thirty years before it did happen.

He wanted to use planes to sink ships and was ridiculed for it. Gee maybe he was the one who told the Japanese at the time how to execute the plan, Yea the more I think of it that's the ticket.

Why don't you go have lunch with your sister rosie? You take the cake. I mean you and rosie.

Here's a quote for you from another nice fellow who was Establishment through-and-through:

"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders...tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." --Herman Goering

History remembers him rather unkindly, but perhaps it's because the Nazis murdered or precipitated the murder of tens of millions of people. Our country, if it continues down the path set by George Bush and the Neo-Cons would be so lucky if she is remembered so kindly.

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It's real funny cause I didn't wirte Operation Northwoods. Powerful people in our Government and Military wrote it. You obviously aren't interested in reading it.

I am no criminal.
I don't write stories for any TV Programs.
I sleep every night.

The only difference is I actually wake up everyday. It is the majority of the American people that are sleeping in that dreary haze, ignorant to the increasingly Tyrannical legislative and exectuive powers. The PATRIOT Act is a tool that has been used more against the american people, than actual terrorists, and that is fact.

Rosie O'Donnell is not the only Celeb that has come out for 9/11 Truth either. Several others, including Jesse Ventura, Willie Nelson, George Carlin (RIP), Charlie Sheen, and Martin Sheen, have come out questioning the governments account after they did their own research. Noted Physicists, Engineers, Scholars, Architects, and Military Officials have come out saying it was an Inside Job.

http://www.ae911truth.org/
The link is the list of Architects and Engineers that have come forward for 9/11 truth.

When you say you won't get into these "Conspiracy theories", all it means is your blinders are on, and you are just going to do what your government tells you to, and believe every word that comes out of their Corporate owned media drones.
Have an open mind for once in your life...

Rosie O'Donnell is not the only Celeb that has come out for 9/11 Truth either. Several others, including Jesse Ventura, Willie Nelson, George Carlin (RIP), Charlie Sheen, and Martin Sheen, have come out questioning the governments account after they did their own research. Noted Physicists, Engineers, Scholars, Architects, and Military Officials have come out saying it was an Inside Job.

These are people I would like my kids listen too.

So they know the difference of a patriot and an idiot.

Your circle of friends you call respectable ought to go back into the closet so they can do their drugs with you in the dark out of site and out of mind. Ventura is a disgrace to the Navy seals. Willie Nelson is an idiot and a rotten person, Rosie is constantly looking for a mind you know what to feel important, and the Sheens are a mess. You need to upgrade your standards buddy. You are showing the real colors of what you are representing.

Mr. Hanke you are full crap. But that is redundant isn't. WOOOOOOO! I crack myself up!

You didn't even mind to mention the Engineers and Architects. I have the link right on my comment.

Jesse Ventura was on an Undersea Demolitions Team. He worked with Explosives. Physicists and Engineers have said the towers were demolished with explosives, not jet fuel. Noted Physicists and Scientists have questioned the towers collapse, and even NIST can't tell you how WTC 7 collapsed.

Celebs are not the only ones questioning the events on that day. People in science and Physics, and people with a military history question the attacks. I'm not sitting in my basement with a bunch of friends, smoking weed, and making this stuff up. We have serious questions that we would like answered. As do the family members who are still waiting on 70% of their questions to be answered.

How did WTC 7 fall without being hit by a plane?
Can you answer that?
WTC 7 was 300 yards from the World Trade Towers.
WTC 3 was in the shadow of the two towers.

WTC 7 collapsed at 5:27 in the afternoon.
WTC 3 didn't collapse, even though it suffered more damage than WTC 7.

Do you not have any questions as to why that is?

Please google Operation Northwoods before you make comments such as this.

A joke my dear boy! google mr. hankey and you'll see what I mean. Love ya!

It's amazing to see people still peddling this nonsense after seven years and multiple thorough debunkings. You know what I saw when I went to your "architects and engineers" website? I saw a small handful of "professionals" and "experts" that have neither examined the videos of the collapses nor do they have an understanding of elementary physics. And add to that an apparent bias against this administration that clouds their own judgment on building structures and/or how they can/do collapse.

There is nothing new about these opinions. They have been floating around since the day it happened and they are still incorrect even today. And your list of celebrities that have "spoken out" about it is quite laughable and has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not what they are saying is true.

I would like to ask you, mrhanke, what do you think happened? Tell us what happened in New York, Pennsylvania, and Washington D.C. that day. I'd love to hear your take on it and see what kind of "evidence" you have to support your claims. If you're going to accuse our government and our military of committing terrorist acts against this nation, I'd love for you to share your proof. And by "proof" I mean evidence that would have at least a minimal chance of being upheld in any court.

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Reading over your Bio, you are a person who obviously believes in the same type of government I would like to see. All I know, is our government did not provide a thorough investigation into the events. The government put roadblocks up throughout the investigation, and the majority of the family members still have many questions that weren't answered. I believe wholeheartedly that our government committed the attacks, and anyone that will tell me I'm nuts or Illogical can only say those things. Your words will not become me. I have watched the videos of the collapse. I have watched videos of firefighters that were there. I have watched the engineers, and scientists, and physicists put forward their evidence. You know what I saw from the government. Ignorance. The investigation was a whitewash. More money was spent to investigate the sexual relations between Clinton and Lewinsky than was ever thought of for the 9/11 Investigation. I have every right to believe that the government committed the attacks, because the only evidence they have to suggest it wasn't them, is that you are nuts if you don't believe 19 hijackers could get past a forty billion dollar air defense program.

They haven't proved that a passenger jet could collapse a skyscraper. They just said it did. Where is their proof?

The only thing the government has said, is "don't believe these outrageous conspiracy theories regarding the events of 9/11". Is that really all the proof an individual needs these days not to question the government? Because they said so...

The joke is your profile sir. If you aren't going to discuss the topic, it would be great to see you on your way.

Never heard of Buds?
Jessi Ventura I believe was actually a frog man he is old and he is not helping any one's cause but his own creating his make believe obstacles.

Reckon it makes for good TV and Ventura is a showman.

"I'm not sitting in my basement with a bunch of friends, smoking weed, and making this stuff up"....okay

I give you a +1 for bringing the subject up
mrhanke01. I like to see this side of the fence come out in the open so the rest of the Nation and the world can see what obstacles America herself has to navigate through.

I don't think the world laughs at us because of what our leaders do. They laugh at our leaders because of what they don't do.

We put up with conspiracy, anti establishment theories spouted and praised by the public. We call it free speech, they don't. It is called treason.

Are you going to the Olympics? I would if I could.

http://www.911truth.org/

This is the site for the 9/11 truth movement. I've done my research looking through this site. If you want, do your own research. All I know is after doing my research, and the government pretty much just said to ignore it, than I'm not going to believe a word they say.

They used the tragedy of 9/11 to attack Afghanistan and Iraq, create dangerous and tyrannical legislation, and I'm not going to just sit there and let it happen. That is why I spread this message that 9/11 was an inside job. I'm not the only one, and I won't be the last. You will hear this for 10, 20, 30 years, till the day we hold those who committed this act responsible.

My profile is a joke that is the point. Unlike others here I do not waste my time with posters who are obvious in their intentions but feel free to debate with Publius as he will probably tear your theories apart and you won't quit forcing your theories until this comment area gets about 3 to 4 pages long. I'll be over there somewhere making fun of myself. See ya! :)

Taking the toys and going home doesn't cut it, you wrote it and seems some read it. Don't do the deed if you can't handle the celebration.

It is habit of some to throw vanity out there and say I will only back it up to people who think the same. The democrats are doing the same right now in the house and went to recess on that foundation.

Mums the word after I screamed it is not good practice and takes away choice. As long as it is kept nice we can all play together.

I actually have read the said profile. I missed the joke.

I'm waiting for debate. I'm not here so people can say its full of crap, and then not even take the time to read what I'm saying. If you have time to say i'm full of crap, you have time to prove to me that our government didn't plan Operation Northwoods.You also have time to prove the governments story of 9/11.

If not, i'd rather you said your peace and left.

Like I said before. I am glad the world will read what America her self has to go through.

They do not laugh at what our leaders do. They are laughing at what our population is starting to do.

They believe America is weak for this reason. Your truth is lies and alot of tweeking going on.

"I did my research through this website" does not cut it with me my fellow American." In fact I never believe anything I read and only half of what I see.

My government telling me just to believe what they say doesn't cut it with me either, my fellow american. I will believe a physicist when he tells me the towers had to have some extra force to collapse before I listen to the government tell me just to believe them.

Better get a second opinion. The navy kicks planes off of the deck that are on fire because water does not put them out and they burn right through the deck.

Eggs, you are woefully unqualified to debate shipboard firefighting tactics. There are four kinds of fires: Class Alpha (paper, cardboard, etc.), Class Bravo (burning liquids), Class Charlie (electrical), and Class Delta (burning metals, such as sodium or phosphorus).

A fire on the flight deck can be a simple Class Alpha, which is extinguished by firehoses and water. If there is burning fuel, then AFFF (Aqueous Foam Forming Film) is added to the water to coat the surface of the fuel to break the fire triangle. PKP (Purple Potassium Powder) may be used in a Class B fire to knock back flames. A Class Delta fire most often involves munitions and the most expedient method--in a major conflagration--is to dump the object burning overboard before it explodes.

For the record, I am trained in fighting shipboard fires, particularly those involving the engineroom and fireroom where burning fuel oil and lubricating oil is of primary concern. Never once in my training were we told that burning fuel or lube oil would immediately burn a hole in the bottom of the ship.

The idea that "oops the plane has a small fire on the wing--let's throw it and millions of dollars overboard so we don't have to fight the fire" is naive.

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I was going to go away but then you had to go and mention lube oil dubs and now I'm back. That's just the way it works.

So what about jet fuel burn which is obviously what we are talkin' about? Can it melt metal?

The passenger Jet actually exploded a few milliseconds before hitting the skyscrapper.
How do you account that?
Considering there where no explosives on board.
It was staged, no matter who believes it or not.
someday the truth will be out on one of the biggest cons of our time.

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I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories, but I do believe that many things about 9/11 just don't add up. I doubt we will know the whole truth in our lifetimes.

The collapse of the third World Trade building is still highly suspicious to me.

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I posted to provide a rebuttal to eggsoveresy's contention that planes are automatically dumped overboard if they catch fire. Burning fuel oil does not burn through the flight deck. In those situations where the fire spread below, the hole was caused by exploding ordnance, which gave the fuel and fire a way into the ship.

I have my own suspicions about 9/11, but they are not why I posted and therefore I will not comment on them here.

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Can you provide a link to the material composiition of the flight deck of an aircraft carrier? I would like to compare the material composition to that of the WTC.

Also, provide a link to a site that shows that a planes fuel has melted through a flight deck. I haven't heard of it, but I'm assuming you know where I can find that kind of info. Thanks.

I can really feel the love.

Anyway, I'm assuming that fuel oil is the same as jet fuel? So, the jet fuel on the planes would have had to react/ignite something else to weaken the steel. Either that or the steel is of a different quality than that of a Navy ship. Right? And is there a reason why the sprinkler system wouldn't have dampen the fire somewhat? Did the fire burn too hot? Did the explosion knock out the system? just wonderin'

The notion that a cross-country passenger aircraft (a Boeing 767) loaded with jet fuel cannot hit a skyscraper with enough force to not only destroy steel beams, but for the fuel to ignite and heat the still standing beams to a degree hot enough to soften them and render them incapable to support thousands of tons of structure above them, is just plain nonsense and requires quite a bit of ignorance of physics and structural engineering.

The metal does not have to melt in order to compromise the structure. When steel is heated beyond a certain degree it expands and deforms. Jet fuel burns plenty hot enough in order to heat steel, and the upper portions of the steel frames in the Twin Towers were not coated with asbestos, which is a much better flame retardant than what was used - but much of this retardant was blown off of the columns at the time of impact. When you have steel support beams that are expanding, it compromises the integrity of the structure. Once that integrity is compromised beyond a certain point, the structure fails. Because of the massive weight above the impact floors and the amount of support beams that were destroyed at impact, a collapse was inevitable.

So, why did it appear to be a "controlled demolition"? Well, first of all, the people who claim that it was "controlled" obviously have never seen a controlled demolition before. Controlled demolitions are not initiated at the tops of buildings. Add to that the fact that the collapse of both towers started at the impact zones, and it is quite obvious that the idea of a "controlled demolition" is pretty absurd. (On a side note, it would take - at minimum - months of tedious preparation to set up a controlled demolition in buildings that were over 100 stories high...yet nobody noticed any such preparations.)

Secondly, the buildings did not fall straight down. That's why WTC #7 had a massive tear in the side of it...one of the Towers actually fell into it leaving a hole nearly 20 stories high. WTC #7 also had a fire burning in it throughout the day - and the firefighters were instructed not to fight it because of the compromised structure due to the large hole. Later in the afternoon, it was understood by the fire crews that the building was in fact going to collapse because of the hole and fires.

So, when people claim that these buildings fell in a "controlled demolition," it leads me to believe two things. One, that they have never seen such an event before (a controlled demolition). And two, that they did not arrive at this conclusion by themselves and that they do not have the proper expertise necessary to confirm this claim.

Now, mrhanke, would you like to debate these topics, or would you like to continue making fantastical claims about things you apparently do not fully comprehend? Because if you'd like to debate, I'd ask you to bring forth your evidence and show us how the accepted version of a 767 (loaded with jet fuel for a cross-country flight) crashing into a skyscraper at hundreds of miles per hour would have little to no effect on a building's structural integrity and cause its subsequent collapse.

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I was addressing shipboard fires. I don't know the exact composition and armor of our current Nimitz-class carriers, but I do know that the steel hull separating me from the ocean wasn't terribly thick. Then again, we didn't have jet aircraft landing on the hull. So, my answer is I don't have an answer for it.

I will say this, however, whenever we were doing refits in the shipyard, I didn't see the welders pouring fuel on what they wanted to cut. They used a torch.

If the collapse of the WTC towers was a crime, then the wreckage on the ground was a crime scene. For the government to block any independent body from doing forensic testing on the steel girders before immediately trucking everything off to be immediately melted down is suspicious. Even if what the government said was entirely true, its actions gave the appearance of impropriety.

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jdub...That's a common misconception. The debris was not immediately melted down and it was available to multiple bodies for testing and research. Here's a site that explains what kind of research was done by a team of analysts:

American Society of Civil Engineers

This is a quote from the document (my emphasis in italics):

"There has been some concern expressed by others that the work of the team has been hampered because debris was removed from the site and has subsequently been processed for recycling. This is not the case. The team has had full access to the scrap yards and to the site and has been able to obtain numerous samples. At this point there is no indication that having access to each piece of steel from the World Trade Center would make a significant difference to understanding the performance of the structures."

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