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Pat Buchanan! You sound like a Republican idiot! I don't need a Tax Credit, I need a Job!

posted January 24, 2009 - 7:29pm
Pat Buchanan! You sound like a Republican idiot! I don't need a Tax Credit, I need a Job!

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Image: Wikipedia, free use image. Pat Buchanan

I don't need a tax credit -- I need a job!

by Les Porter

In many ways Pat Buchanan sounds like the House's impotent "Boner." (Did you see that "look" the "Boner" gave the President? The intense hatred in his eyes? Just before the "I Won" statement?)

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Image: Wikipedia John Boehner, House Minority Leader, 2008-2009
John looks friendly here! He led the "0" Republican Vote!

Pat doesn't "get it." And he should -- he was one of nine children where early on he had to work hard in the family pecking order. The rhythm method does not work. But it did Pat a lot of good. Those niceties over, it is hard to imagine how Pat reached his present state of Obstructionist Republican Idiocy. Thank goodness he is not in the Senate. Or the House. Especially not in the Senate.

But you had to "hear" Pat on MSNBC News Live on Saturday Morning, Jan 24,2009, talking to Mike Barnicle. Pat Buchanan wants to give every one who buys an American-Made Automobile a $5000.00 Tax Credit! Wonderful, wonderful! Michael Barnicle thought that was a great idea. He did not ask how the person could "pay" for the car to which he could claim a $5,000 deduction.

Who is the guy, the man or woman, or the family who can "afford" to buy any "new" American-"made" automobile without a job? He can't even pay for his ARM. If he doesn't have a job or a place to live what good is a tax cut for his car? Sounds like a Republican. Look, I campaigned for Goldwater, but I eventually awoke. Buchanan campaigned and worked for Nixon, then Ford, then Reagan -- one of the early models for Karl Rove to imitate, emulate exceed and complete. I thought, running as a candidate outside of his GOP days showed signs of his mental recovery. I would not vote for him because of his connections to the last nearly civil Republicans -- but he wasn't completely separated.

Clearly, it is not a tax cut that American's need. It is a Job. A good paying, meaningful job! Not a job that rewards banks, the wealthy, the exploitative corporations -- and especially NOT the Fossil Carbon poison purveyors. The Jobs we need are fossil carbon free jobs. The jobs need to be "building" the transmission network as well as the infrastructure that has been abandoned. The most important factor is to have the government pay the people to do the work. That does a lot more than a tax cut -- since there is just not going to be enough to make a few of the "wealthy" create new jobs. Period. If they could make money investing in creating jobs, they would be doing it. Cutting taxes for them doesn't help the economy.

For example, we Do Not need Cap and Trade -- we need a Fossil Carbon Tax, collected by the Government, and 100% returned on a per capita basis to bona fide American Citizens, not illegal aliens. Any Fossil Carbon used for anything, as a feed stock, as fuel, for plastics or food should be taxed where it arrives in the US or at the mine or well head.

Pat Buchanan might have been an Ordinary American at one time, but he "just don't get it," now, and like many other "Republican" Big Fossil Carbon purchases, he thinks a "Tax Cut" or a Tax Credit will stimulate the national economy. But how does the buyer "pay" for his purchase? And where does he park it? At his foreclosed hovel? Or on the street?

No Pat. The whole thing is about JOBS! Most of these good jobs had dirty job components that would have to be cleaned up in the US but could be shipped overseas since "Profit" is not at all connected to or in line with worker or "employees" survival. Pat has had "good luck," but in an equal opportunity situation, or with the roll of an un-weighted pair of dice -- where would he be? You gotta realize he was a Nixon guy and that becomes a taint that you really have to wash hard to become clean.

(Can you imaging Pat, now, 70, pan-handling on the corner, living in his car -- reaching out to Republicans -- to support tax cuts and credits. Opposed to job creation. Yeah.)

But some of Obama's economic helpers don't get it either. They are acolytes of the Banking Cartel. They do not serve the species interest.

And, President Barack Obama, you NEED to get better advice! I voted for you, but you may not really have heard my voice or the people's voice. If you listen to some of the people that are in your economic adviser's group -- the likes of Robert Rubin, Larry Summers (with help from Lant Pritchett)and Geithner (who worked for Kissinger and Associates), these guys are ALL PART of the economic problem. Geithner has too large of an arterial connection to the Federal Reserve Cartel of Banks. What is Good for The Federal Reserve (Cartel) is not really good for Americans. Geithner helped in the decisions by Paulson to give this or that institution funds without strings. He was in on the decisions as part of his job at the New York Fed Cartel bank.

Geithner needs to be interested in preserving the American System of Government -- not the Federal Reserve Cartel. Profit, Future Value, Compounded Interest, financial derivative instruments,credit cards unlimited, hedge funds, all are in the self-interest of the Banking Cartel -- not in the interest of Americans, or for that matter, the billions of people across the globe. Geithner needs to have his umbilical connection to the Federal Reserve cleanly and permanently cut.

Geithner's grasp of the "real" world, a world that does not involve the imaginary monetary universe, needs to be inculcated. One way to do this inculcation is to reduce his pay and accouterments to those of one or another American at or near the poverty-level. Then see how he thinks on fixing the stimulus -- without protecting the Cartels that have caused this difficulty. (Oh, I won't deny that all us American slackards in some cases were loaned 125% of home values -- a situation like staying for the last card in Seven Card Stud, betting on the "come," that home values would increase through time. Who skimmed the money? Yep Wall Street and Banks. Paulson may have to move to China and explain the bad paper he sold them.)

Honest fellow, Greenspan, at least in front of Congress, admitted he was operating on a Flawed Model while serving the Fed. Summers, Geithner, Rubin all share that flawed model which serves several of the ancient Deadly Sins. Realize, there is not a speck of "religion" in the Seven Sins -- these have to do with species survival, or non-survival.

Some for the main economic advisers of Obama are interested in protection of the "banking system" not the people or the planet. These are folks feeding off the teats of largess, the money milking money printing mechanism of the banking cartel. Some priorities have to be brought into clear focus.

Maybe Obama will come to his senses. We have a Planetary Emergency and we have caused it. This Fossil Carbon problem is the fuel for the melt down. What if we have a couple more Katrina's spawned in the warming oceans of the next few years? But it isn't just stopping fossil carbon emissions. It is going the extra distance to remove what we and corporations we allow to exist have placed there and continue to place there.

"Jobs," lots of them, are the issue. Credit cards, credit, future value, ARMs, hedges, all need to be controlled. Some eliminated. Some written off, some debts "forgiven." Really. If I give you a Tax Cut, are you going to create some jobs? Really? It did not work under Reagan, why would it now? Giving the Republicans Tax Cuts and credits moved the jobs offshore some distance, but they still wanted to be able to exploit the markets here, you know, sell you stuff you used to make within the country.

Because of the "vote," this country could be ruled by the people, not just by the banks, or the Greedy Wall Street Crooks. Cap and Trade makes more Wall Street Millionaires and does nothing for the environment or for the Commons we all breathe.

Recall that if you deposit one cent at 1 percent compounded annually, it yields $1.9 quadrillion dollars in 4000 years. Would a bank assign such to your offspring through time. The yearly interest now would be $19 trillion. More than the US GDP. We could not even pay the interest on the penny investment.

We need to govern the Banks. Pat? How would that translate to you? And Pat, we need jobs to buy the American-made cars for which you want to give us a tax credit.

Get the jobs and the cars will sell.



Comments

You kinda missed this, since you had to see the interaction

The interaction between Mike and Pat took place on the MSNBC news live program for Saturday, 24 Jan 2009 -- I can't remember the exact airtime, but it happened and I wasted a bunch of time trying online to fish out the video from MSNBC, and of course they have it but I can't get hands on it now. (Hands figurative for "eyes.") Pat has been talking $5K tax credits for years. But the ISSUE is Jobs, Jobs, Jobs -- even some you or I could do. Got any ideas? This particular exchange was in the appropriate subject realm of the "stimulus" and what could be helping to "rescue" the auto manufacturers. Pat wanted to give new purchasers a $5K tax credit if they bought a car. That is a small part of his, and the Republican's approach. The point is you need a job to pay for a new car -- or you need some income. Lets take your income? Can you buy a car now? I have lots of old cars, work trucks, and likely will never buy another "new" car. But I do buy parts to fix them -- and I do the work myself. But some times if I do not have work or sufficient income -- I can't do a thing for the car or truck industry. Try not to confuse the issues on this because it is "down the tank" for the middle class if the "middle class" can't be tapped for income, which income comes from jobs and whose spending drives the usual "economy." Hey. I still would not vote for Pat. Except maybe for RNC speaker. Or some thing. I like Pat. Kinda like Sarah Palin-- there is so much comedic material there. . . Thanks for the comment! I still have to fix that other post. . .

Sympathy for the De(Pat Buchanan)vil

First, you're right; Pat was probably brought up with the idea that 'your job is what you get for being good, doing what your parents say and being an American.' (... Okay, there's the first 'slice of bread' of the criticism sandwich; now for the meaty disagreement ....) I don't know if Buchanan did- or didn't say that the $5,000-credit was the be-all/end-all solution to the credit-problem, but I choose that he didn't. If you think he did-, if he thinks he did-, if the American People think he did; that's your/his/their memory. The one I have (which I'll be taking to the FSM next time I see her) is that he didn't claim ultimate solution with that tax-break. And perhaps you did not notice the use of the word 'made' (past tense of "make") in "American-made cars." 'Making' cars--last time I checked--was "a job" (maybe 'they have machines that do that now,' and 'machines make those machines'; but ~SOMEbody~'s got to make the machine-machines and make sure they stay optimized!) Pat Buchanan wasn't saying this $5,000 tax-credit will rescue the economy on its own steam; he was saying he would have America subsidize the purchase of vehicles made in America rather than that of vehicles made elsewhere. (... And we top the sandwich off with a slice of accolade-bread ...) Your right that Barack Obama ("President 2.0," "Information Week" calls him) ought to open his ears here. (We should start a campaign to offer a huge 'second' income to Barack Obama for his active Xombiehood!) The question we should put to him is not "What will money do to save our economy?" but "What will WE do to save EACH OTHER?" ---GET MONEY FREE for having fans ONLINE, writing about Buddhist Chant, Dr. Hot4Words, Time-Travel, Divine Art

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Hey there Dago! Thanks.

I'm psyching myself up to write about the sensible response to an arrogant Wall Street. Wall street does not have to exist the way it does now. In the meantime, my suggestion for everyone is to look at the hoarding of food and supplies you and your family need to survive for most of a year. In the Mormon's dogmatic wisdom, there are little jewels. Even the fundamentalists latter day saints, those polygamists, use this little jewel as sustenance against the dark ahead. This jewel of wise counsel was to have enough canned and durable goods stashed safely away to sustain your families lives for a year or two. Devout Mormon's still do this. And emergency supplies for their homes consist of a complete room of supplies, rotated when needed in a constant vigil against the fall of night. With 306 hundred million people in the US and lots of foreclosed homes, you might look to gold on the street, homeless and in real trouble. Hopefully, we can help protect enough citizens from the dark and the cold to survive til we can arrange useful work so they can help pay for the food and sewer. If you rent you are at a disadvantage. (Imagine the city of New York where millions are beholden to some landlord.) Your castle should be stocked! Supplied! And good luck. I would like everyone in "the box" and out of the environment they have damaged. Feeding, toileting, and employing the masses of people in a small area might make more sense to survival than what we have now. (It would be a large number of large boxes, giving each person 4000 square feet of floor space, each family of 4, would have 16,000 sq ft of floor space. See my Manburger posting.) In your part of the world it is biofuel and manufacturing, and those car plants could be re-tooled to make bolt-together segmented parabolic reflectors for sunlight to gather locally, and the engine plant could be making Sterling engines using Hydrogen as a heat medium and solar energy as the source of heat. Or just burn wood (cleanly.) Dago, mad as you are and rightfully to be so, this is also an opportunity to turn than dago anger into productive form organizing the green approaches that will help build the hightech grid and even the nuclear energy plants that are the only easy vast non-polluting energy source we can use reasonably quickly and that is large enough and long enough to provide the tools to fight the warming that is coming.

This is Pat's wikipedia image And a test. I do not look like Pat! Dago, thanks for your comments.

 

 

 

Image of Pat Buchanan, From wikipedia!

Amen to that!

AngryDago Jobs should be the focus of our government and not some meaningless tax break for buying a new american car. I was working in the auto industry for Toyota and I was laid off 4 months ago, jobs are being eliminated each day. With so much competition for employment where I live I can't even get a minimum wage job. But life goes on and the bills keep rolling in, what am I to do. I am sure most of these assinine ideas are to just keeps their friends palms nice and greasy and their wallets fat. It would be nice to see someone in their position doing some type of manual labor and see how the world really lives.

AngryDago

Thanks. Quick and deeply connected SPENDING . . .

We need "stimulus" recovery funds directed to spend on "infrastructure" -- because we actually "get something" hard and useful and hopefully durable for the investment. Hank Paulson's gifts to the Banks and Wall Street were "props" to keep the same system we see failing the species -- afloat. The payment of bonuses to the team players for their scams and "marketing" or just flat skillful theft, should be recovered, and if they lost it in Vegas or gambled it further away on Wall Street, they will have to figure out how to get it back. (I recently posted to the White House that all bonuses be returned to the treasury, allowing 7 days from the date of signing the law, but if longer than 7 days at the credit card rate of 18% to 28% -- as incentive. Let them keep nothing in bonus of taxpayer money. if they loan and fix the economy, maybe 400K next year, max.) It is not so much concrete and steel or optical fiber and copper, it is absolutely the investment that will be durable for the nation and individual citizens. Recovering $700 Billion a year by using our own local renewable energy sources will quickly pay for the costs in much shorter span of time than giving the money as a tax credit or tax cut or your stimulus check which the administration wanted you to use in some way that was supposed to fix things. (We all notice last years stimulus check did not seem to fix the economy, or did it? If you spent it on food it helped you live a bit longer.) I am very much interested in repairing an education system that has failed us. The teachers unions have not helped us, and I am sorry to say that I AM a union supporter -- because of the bad results the teachers unions have presented. Unions were once what allowed the poor worker class of this nation to become the middle class where the wealth comes from. But slanting and exploiting education for the purpose of "marketing" is not what I ever expected from boards of education or teachers. Educational systems, thrust into the jaws of Corporations who have been given free (or fee) access by nation or local Government, leads to where we are now, and as a nation, dumbed down to a Republican affiliated level. You see, it is essential we actually "educate" our youngsters and citizens. When Kennedy propelled us into the "space age" targeting the moon immense efforts at a good education gave us the edge to accomplish the goal and to provide the fundamentals of a technology that was labeled "space age technology" evolving into the PCs and (I hate them) cell phone/blackberrys we have now -- as well as the internet. We have had a series of Republican administrations that have successfully "bled" the middle class wealth and talent into the generation of middle-aged and younger spoiled kids that simply respond to "cool" marketing -- not even knowing where the words "hot" and "cool" came from (read Marshall McLuhan someday) and "learn" by emulating American Idol contestants and trying to please that Simon (worm) who brought his marketing idea from England. But the Republican's starting with Nixon, continuing with Reagan-Bush, and W have continued not to build the future -- but to skim from it. That is why we are here/now. The structure of the economic problem written by everyone who has "bought into it," into the "future value" "compound interest" "something for nothing"-game based on financial positions and "instruments" that were founded on quicksand in the first place, and consisting of "Let me do something with your money for you" is that for the species to progress in the direction of survival, the species has to take over control of the financial investment process. This should not be in the hands of the Fed Cartel or the international cartel. It is time the engines of wealth returned their rewards to the human participants who have made it possible and not to those who think they are "better" than the rest because they have manipulated the system to skim more from the planetary culture. We need to change the rules. For species and planetary survival we need to enlist those who think they are above or better than the rest of us, to work for the common good. Or excise them. (Empty their pockets of what they have skimmed, first. Clearly or obliquely let them know why we are removing them. Show them the bleakness of the future their actions have set up or caused for the rest of us. And begin removing their CO2 exhalations from the commons.) That does not mean socialism; but it does mean a change to how we value the things we need for species survival. We are facing a planetary emergency. Thanks Jim.

Having a job takes care of lots of societal ills

It's too bad there has been so much emphasis on Americans having an easy life without having to do real honest work. Those who work in the service industry or who do the other dirty jobs in this country are often poor immigrants on the bottom of the economic ladder, who hope to step up. Americans want to start life at the top of the ladder, sadly. There is something spiritual about hard manual work. Sure, at the end of the work day you may be dead dog tired, but you have created something. You are not out looking for mischief to cause or making trouble for the world. How can Congress even begin to address the real problems our country faces when most of them were born into privilege and believe manual labor is the name of their Hispanic gardener? I have this idea of a privately funded New Deal-type work program that trains and puts Americans to work rebuilding the infrastructure of this country. New power grids. Redo the roads and highways. Install commuter rail and eco-friendly mass transit. If you look at the 1930's programs that FDR instituted (removing the government Fed funding), there was hope for the future because our country was gaining an infrastructure and people were working. Good article, as always, Les. I used to have a lot of respect for Buchanan a few years back, but now I would just be interested to see him riding on the back of a garbage truck emptying trash cans into the back of it. At least he will be contributing something worthwhile to the country and economy. JOIN US IN TOASTING YOUR FUTURE SUCCESS!

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