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Prop 8 Defines Marriage In the Sovreign State of California

posted November 9, 2008 - 1:03am
Prop 8 Defines Marriage In the Sovreign State of California

"Prop 8, that will amend the state constitution to specify only marriage between a man and a woman is valid."

The amendment simply defines the word marriage the same as the Webster dictionary. My advice to the gay community is think of your own word to define gay marriage and start with the Webster dictionary. The real issue is an out and out attack on the tax status of the United States Christian Churches because a Pastor of a House of God will not perform a marriage of two people who are of the same sex.

Here is something that will help the gay community. I am eggsovresy I live in San Diego now. I have to go Hillcrest twice a week. It would help your cause if you had the manners God gave a flea. I mean this wholeheartedly. The juggernaut that stopped traffic about as long as a small traffic accident was not peaceful it was a nuisance. It was full of gay people filled with hate stomping down the street quite like the action of a spoiled teenager stomping his feet on the way to his room before he slams the door.

Here is some advice for the gay community.

Stop impeding the traffic of little kids under the age of 18 to shove a flier or phony petition that only really is a down line builder of phone numbers for solicitation. A real petition will not ask for any one's phone numbers. The government doesn't need it. They can find you with just a city and only two letters from your name.

Another thing and this is the biggest of them all. When a family with little kids is trying go into the restaurant to eat. Do not impede their traffic and shove your self righteous fliers of "why it is my right to get married" in front of the parents face and and even try to hand it to the six year old. It makes the parents have to explain why marriage is not a right. Who wants to have to go home and read the Constitution to a six year old to show them when all they wanted to do in the first place was eat in a nice restaurant in Hillcrest.

And finally to America and the world. I live here. The press and pictures and exposure are literally blowing this minuscule populations presence out of proportion. In other words if you came here to see the demonstration...I've seen better block parties. LOL. You won't be impressed, but you might laugh at some of the outfits.

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Piece of paper

Couples can do this, but if they don't have that "piece of paper" they may find themselves in a legal tangle if they split up and have disagreements over child custody, property ownership, business dealings, etc.

Marriage - the piece of paper argument

Some couples really don't need a piece of paper to make their unions valid. These are couples who reject laws which stipulate a piece of paper (the marriage licence) is important. They laugh at the the divorce rates and vowers who break vows even though they possess this licence. If such couples are penalised by tax laws they simply avoid paying tax. You can't help but admire them - they seem to apply natural laws naturally rather than having man made laws enforced upon them. They don't need a list of laws to tell them what is right from wrong either.

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I would like to address your

I would like to address your assertion that "gay is a genetic issue" and how that relates to homosexual "marriage". First of all, there have not been any scientific discoveries of a gene or a set of genes that determine sexuality. (The reason primarily being that sexuality is behavior.) A multitude of studies have been done, including twin studies, that show homosexuality is much more of a result from environmental influences than genetic ones. In most instances, identical twins where both were homosexual grew up in environments where homosexuals were vastly more prevalent than in circumstances where the twins were both heterosexual. And the ratio of the identical twins that were homosexual - were it a genetic issue alone - would be 1:1. But there is plenty of evidence that shows all twins are not both heterosexual or both homosexual. (I know that twin studies alone do not prove the point absolutely, but it's one of the most plausible and scientific arguments made regarding genetics.) Now, we know that environment shapes much of our behavior - through antecedents and consequences. Homosexuality is not entirely genetic - we know at least that much. If it's not explained by genetics, then that leaves us with environment. Of course, you can't fault someone for being shaped by their environment as a child, but you also can't claim that because of this fact, they must be protected as a minority under the law. Behavior is generally not protected as a civil right. This is the problem with the push for "gay marriage rights". If we bestow rights on people that are different because of their actions, not their physical being (such as being black, a woman, or really old), then we enter into an entirely new philosophical dilemma on how to apply laws in our society. This issue is about much more than just having the legal "right" to say you're "married." Then we have the problem of government. It's not the government's place to co-opt a religious or otherwise private institution and confer benefits to the people making those private contracts. If government was not involved in marriage in that capacity, I don't think this would be a problem. If they simply recognized a legal contract between two individuals, regardless of their gender or relationship, then I can't see a situation where anyone could claim that they are being denied a "civil right". They may not be able to call it "marriage" if the churches don't recognize it, but it would still be a valid legal contract in the eyes of the law - which is how it ought to be anyway. And I think this is how civil unions are supposed to be interpreted. But when the government gives you tax breaks or other benefits for being "married", then they are essentially stepping over their boundaries as an objective entity that views all people as equals under the law. (And there is a long list of abuses by the government in this sense, not just with the marriage issue.) Does that make sense? *If you're interested in reading my articles, Click Here.

Marriage should remain with the church

and civil unions with the state. What right does the church have in dictating policy to the state and the state to the church? "Marriage and the Separation of Church and State" http://www.xomba.com/marriage_the_separation_church_and_state ____________ It does matter what you believe, but, what you believe does not matter if you do not act upon your beliefs. you can not vote on the truth --Pope John Paul II, 1995

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Marriage

"Am I mistaken in thinking that marriage is an institution of the church. " Well, it *can* be... or not. Many people choose to get married by a county clerk or justice of the peace, etc. Their marriage is legal and recognized as valid by the government, even though there may be no religion involved at all. Other people go though a religious wedding ceremony, but of course even these people still must have their union made legal in the eyes of the law by getting a marriage license.

Well said, Free Cracker, I do agree (to some extent)

with you and "eggs...." No group or cause should stop any family (gay, straight, old, young, Christian, Muslim, etc.) from raising their children in the context they feel to be proper. However, to label gay as a choice, well, I can't agree with you in this regards because, as, science continues to study, gay is a genetic issue, not a choice, as has been suggested. You, know, the Nazis aimed at cleansing out those different than they, and did a fairly good job of it. Is it time to fire up the furnaces again? And, who would you select to say who gets the furnace and who doesn't? But, back to the topic of this post; concerning protests and demonstrations which invade another person's, or family's right to enjoy their space, hey, I agree, it is unacceptable. This perception changes when the family, individual, or otherwise, enters the public domain. In "the public domain," it is just that, public, and you have to expect to encounter everything. Within the public-domain is Las Vegas, prostitution, education, government, demonstrations, protests, and change, to name a few. Don't like what you see, just go around a corner, across the street, up the road, or whatever. Some things you'll be for and some you'll be against. You focus, in you mind, as to what is right and what is wrong, but, you don't have the right to make this decision for others. It's called freedom. Freedom as guaranteed by the United States Bill of Rights, and fortified by many a state constitution. Freedom is the light which shines from the United States of America. But, make no mistake, I do sit with you in your position of raising children, those who protest and demonstrate, certainly, have appeared to lack an ability, at time, to grasp the need to respect others, different than they, like families with children and provide the space and acceptability they, themselves, are asking for with a protest or demonstration. It's simply called equal rights. _________________ Additional article, (Marriage vs Civil Unions): "Marriage and the Separation of Church and State" http://www.xomba.com/marriage_the_separation_church_and_state _________________ It does matter what you believe, but, what you believe does not matter if you do not act upon your beliefs. you can not vote on the truth --Pope John Paul II, 1995 ___________________ WRITE & Earn $$$ http://www.xomba.com/referral/7777ea2e Read all my posts: http://xomba.com/xombyte/bigpink?page=4

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Defined and Defiled

Great article Eggs. I support traditional marriage. Am I mistaken in thinking that marriage is an institution of the church. And that Gay marriage is an abomination to the church? If the government has offered equal rights by "Civil Union" is it not enough altogether? Why should the state dictate to the church the gay marriage is a right? Just my 2 sense. By the way I couldn't agree more about the situation with the six year old. The gay communities right to be gay should not infringe on my right to raise my child with my value system and lifestyle choices. Nor should I be forced to compromise my values, by failing to protect my child from these types of inappropriate topics. Basically where I stand is this. If you want to be gay, go be gay. Do it on your time, in your place and do it where it isn't getting crammed down my throat or into my kid's mind. You don't see heterosexual adults lobbying children with fliers... (well, there are the porn pushers on the streets in Vegas, but then again why in the hell would you bring your children to the strip in Vegas?) That is another topic that gets me upset. Gay is a choice and it is a choice I don't want my kids making until they are adults. Just like gambling, drugs, drinking, and tattoos. FreeCracker4Jack Would you like to earn money writing similar articles? CLICK ME! Read more great articles: http://www.xomba.com/xombyte/free_cracker_4_jack?p

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