Should Muslim Women Cover?
Should Muslim Women Cover?
I have no issue with a Muslim woman covering if she chooses to cover. Actually, how much easier life would be sometimes if one could slip into a burka (burqa,burqua) when going into public and just not worry if you were having a bad hair day, or did not look your best for some other reason.... got up too late to put on make up or your two year old threw breakfast at you and you had to change into an outfit that really did not go together at the last minute.... a tent with eye holes has its appeal at times.
As a fashion statement, I have no problem with it at all.
As a cultural imperative I find it unacceptable from several aspects. It makes quite a derogatory statement about the culture.
There are of course the issues of the equal rights of women, and those are discussed frequently. They are very valid issues.
What I find of equal concern is the rationale that I see given so often for the NEED for women to cover so they do not present the men of the culture with irresistible temptation that will distract them from the proper focus of life.
In my religion we believe that temptation is a part of life and that God has given us the strength to resist temptation to live a righteous existence despite the many temptations of the world.
We raise both our sons and our daughters to recognize temptation and to turn away from it.... to make the choice to lead a righteous life.
I find it alarming that Islamic cultures believe their men to be such weak willed creatures without the ability to control their animal nature that women must be hidden from them, lest they be distracted from righteousness.
I also question why you would put such weak willed people in charge of anything, much less in total charge of a society.
What a testament to the total lack of character and judgment of Muslim men.
I have two adult sons and I think of all the lessons they were taught as they grew up about resisting temptation and controlling their actions and behavior.
As very young boys they learned that the world was full of candy and toys and other things that they wanted and that they were not allowed to touch those things without permission.
As teens when they became walking hormone factories they learned that they were surrounded in the world by beautiful girls and women that they were not allowed to touch without permission.
I would never have considered telling all the girls and women to hide themselves because my sons could not learn that lesson. How insulting and demeaning that would have been to my boys.
And had my boys been unable to learn those lessons, they would not have belonged loose in society. Respect for people and property is the basis for civilized behavior.
If Muslin men cannot learn that lesson, then they don't belong loose in society, much less ruling a society and trying to participate as equals in a global civilization.
Angel
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And there is a rub, aye.
Though human life and society and even "civilization" existed long before the Abrahamic trilogy now extant -- the concepts are alien to many.
These various prescriptions are frozen to their time and point of origin. The oldest of the three and the youngest of the three do not much evolve. The middle one of the three has best evolved and changed, both to keep and acquire fiscal support generation on generation from new adherents, and with the message evolving in concert with new technologies, new knowledge and the need to grow in our phenomenal world to survive. The Eastern Cultures are "enlightened," and provide species stability and individual scale in a more reasonable manner than the Western Abrahamic memes. The pure stability is also dead ended and a mix propels change, as now -- which might be terminal in a carbon laden atmosphere.
However, the Abrahamic memes. . .two have futures of an unsorted sort.
The youngest is nihilistic. The youngest is the self-descriptive end clause. The youngest is a bad meme for the species. The male female role is just one aspect of the fossilization and destructiveness of the prescription. It is like a bad drug. It has no future. As promulgated in fundamental form it is terminal for the species, and to the species. Its spread needs to be ended. Begone it must for species survival. Or it must be changed from within. Else, be it changed from without, and excised.
Woe, and woe lay ahead for this third meme. I will not see it, but when the switch is made to Bussard scaled-up whiffle-ball fusors or to fission along with the problems of waste, and the non-carbon polluting alternate means contribute to the transisiton, the survival of the species, in the long future, will require change to the third and deadly meme.
Else excise it. If it can't self-evolve, it is to die in a changing environment. And die, it should.
Surprisingly, change occurs. All the time. You all may live long enough to see it -- or the self-fulfilling prophesies of doom the Abrahamic memes describe.
That is my take on it. Realize, I am no Cynic.
Muslim Women
Les, sometimes your writings are so deep and philosophical that I don't completely understand your point.
Maybe I am just having a "bad brain day", but this seems to be one of those times...
Or maybe I did not clearly explain my point, and no one understands me and everyone understands you except me....
Or maybe you are up there in the stratosphere somewhere and I am down here with the rest of the simple folk trying to understand what you are saying....
Angel
rebuttal
Why is it that if a Christian Nun wears the head covering, she is considered noble, but for a muslim women to wear the covering it is degrading.
Secondly, you are very incorrect in saying that the the covering (called Hijab) is meant to `hide` the women from men. The covering is meant to protect the dignity of a woman. Do you also argue against women who dress provocatively, or is it just the dignity of a woman that bothers you. The hijab is NOT meant to `hide` the woman from a man, for men have their their own `hijab`, which involves lowering ones gaze when it comes to women. So your arguments are invalid about how can such weak men rule a society or walk around freely, and you sound ignorant, because you are not well educated on this topic.
Lets not forget there are many countries today being run by Muslims, many of them Very successful.
Also lets not forget that Spain was under Islamic rule for 500 years in which time Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived in Harmony, until of course the crusaids.
Lastly, you talk about `temptation`. You may have heard of the term `Jihad` which means Holy Battle. But were you aware of the 2 types of Jihad. The minor jihad and the major jihad. The MINOR jihad involves the physical battle of actually fighting on a battlefield. The MAJOR jihad is the battle against ones self, the fight against your desires & temptations. So you see, you are wrong again.
And you said `In my religion we believe...` .. i`m curious as to which religion that is, because in my religion (Islam), it teaches to respect every other religion. All the facts I have stated here of rulings and teachings of islam can be found in the Holy Quran, and I can show you the exact verses if you would like.