Whose picture is that? Which one of u is u? Thanks for the posting and the reference link to the human vanish world article. It is interesting that even though this is a fairly recent article, the reliance on the ocean temperature to mediate the warming seems a bit lame. (Don't thing I mean impossible, not at all. Water has more than two times the amount of heat capacity that has the earth's surface rocks.) When the ground is warmed by atmosphere, the land is eventually warmed to an equilibrium. That is the equilibrium Carl was concerned with -- and so should we all be. I have been calculating the warm land effect, even looking at and using borehole temperatures to learn about the rate of conduction through the rock toward the thermal depths Carl cites as 3000 feet. Gedanken: Take your propane blow torch and heat one side of a brick, measuring its temperature on both side determining by measure how long the heat takes to reach the other side of the brick. Or do it with a hair blow dryer. It is just a thought experiment. But it does take some time to conduct heat. The ocean does much mediation, and that is one of the difficult quantities to know. But we are getting close to a solid answer or solid enough to begin by eliminating CO2 emissions ASAP, and possible internationalization of fortunes if that is what it takes to stop the poisoning of the future. Thanks for your comment.

Carl Johnson's Blog is here: http://mb-soft.com/public3/global.html Carl's blog has nothing to do with the book by Mark Lynas, Six Degrees. Six Degrees is the result of "already published conclusions" in peer reviewed scientific publications/journals -- that outline the fate of the planet under the Babylonian Banking philosophy as practiced by various groups of families, guilds, moneychangers, and trusts -- down the long thousands of years since the concept of "future value" became an idea and an entry into illusion of economic systems. Carl Johnson's blog has some small but significant errors in it. They are subtle and pervasive, and do effect the time-scale of his conclusion, and in a limiting ways, his calculated temperature increase. His overall conclusion is really, really, really frightening. And most of it is really, really, really -- true. I am in the process of a complete re-thinking, restructuring, and re-computation of his main approach. I may get it finished and checked and be able to post it in a few weeks. I am ever the optimist. I think we have a short term window, to re-invent the global structure, and that means the Banks WILL have to be dismantled, and re-organized with the single goal of species survival (not individual survival) at the level of action. Oh. Don't mistake me in the sense that individuals aren't important. They are, and their survival insures species survival -- but it is all of us -- not a few selected on the basis of personal economic wealth and ownership of items or chunks of gold. IT is what is in our heads we own, alone, but that is also the key to species survival. The tragedy is that we are in the process of destroying our only resource, the environment, and with it, unjustly, species that contribute to our existence. The Babylonian gods are the wrong ones. Especially the one that concerns lucre and the filth of money. (Where do you think the term "filthy rich" comes from?) http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ Image: NOAA, trends in Carbon Dioxide. The amount nature removes is the amount between the bottoms of successive sawtooths. Generally it amounts to about 2 to 3 ppm (during the growing season) and will change as climate and droughts or deforestation add to the mix. But that is all Nature in its natural state, can remove. When plants die and decay, that not sequestered in wood or roots releases the CO2 it inhaled, back to the air. I will in the near future, post some "possible" solutions. We cannot allow, even though we will not live to experience the results of it -- a doubling of the invisible thermal poison, CO2. Carl notes in his blog that James Hansen's prediction is actually warmer than his for the coming mid-century. (James Hansen is one of the people, scientists at Goddard Institute of Space Sciences (he is the Director of GISS) -- that has publicly testified about the White House's efforts to muzzle, change, and limit the amount of information, science, that has been learned and taxpayer funded -- to protect his Big Carbon buddies and the Bush family and the Carlyle Group. The administration budget requests for the sciences has dropped also to protect Big Carbon and the military industrial complex.--Note James Hansen did not say the groups, I did. But I did post a link to his congressional testimony.) Keep thinking about the solutions, and about how to enact them. If we all died tomorrow, much of the life on earth would become extinct because of what we have already done.

The US Dollar used to be the "coin" of the realm. And the realm was the world. Not any longer. If you have traveled, even to Mexico in the past, the dollar would be as usable as a chunk of gold. It was true in India, as was the pound. But no longer. It is a statement. And a fact. The world is like a grain of sand . . . only much much larger.

Thank you both for commenting and your reading of my post and link. --- We have a tiny time-frame to solve the spoilage of the commons with CO2 from Big Carbon's Coal, Oil, and Gas. This is not something we can continue to ignore. I really would like to see those marketing, as well as massively polluting the commons of our air -- given fair trials and prison time. That is, give them a fair trial, and sentence them, their guilt is a foregone conclusion. Prison except for those who are found to have been connected to propagating the lie when they knew it was a lie. I favor excision. Harsh and permanent. The International Banking Community is wrapped up in this scheme too. It will require a sea change for the species. This idea of other's labor profiting you through the babylonia compounded interest scheme will need change-- since it will not work at all with a stable population. But On the CO2 disaster. . . YOU do not have time to leisurely argue the science or the minutia, but you need to motivate yourselves and others around you to the possibility that before 2100 we will see an increase of 4o C. The book, Six Degrees, can be hardly quibbled with -- but not at all to each of its conclusions about incremental warming, degree by degree. I urge you two to look at a few of my postings, and as well, to look at such thing as the "sawtooth" curve that rises yearly, mostly propelled by the US, but also and increasingly from all developed or developing nations. Look at www.noaa.gov, search "Mauna Loa CO2 record," or CO2 record. . . and study the (ppm parts per million) rise of the invisible odorless thermal poison. That sawtooth has those little ups and downs, and I am sure someone in India is also making observations -- but the point is that Nature can only pull the down slope of the sawtooth, that is "lower the CO2"; remove "only" as much as the vertical difference between teeth tops and bottoms in a year. We dump more in the atmosphere than can be removed by Nature. Who is at fault? And there is fault. We are all a part of the problem and the solution. But I say, if there be a solution, it must include sequestering of new emissions, aqnd it must include vast amounts of air sucked in a it's CO2 removed. The IPCC has some political problems, and is too conservative, allowing the multinational corporate/business world have their illusions that what they are doing can continue. It can't. The only real difficulty is the idea that we can double the CO2 and do a kind of business as usual -- without consequence. That is the second lie. The consequences are dire. The result of doubling the CO2 (from current 385ppm to 768ppm) will be certain death for almost all humans (probably all) as well as the plants we currently cultivate, the wildlife, and so many species it will look like an extinction delivered from a large impact. I will readily admit that it will take time to suck the CO2 out of the air, and we have to remove the CO2 completely from a volume of at least 1/4 of the volume of the atmosphere. We do not want doubling or any increase in atmospheric CO2. The 384 ppm at present will unless lowered (not doubled) will provide the six degrees -- if nothing esle is added to the air, if nothing happens. As I have pointed out elsewhere -- If you and I and 99.99999999% of the world's population were to perish within the next month (heck, let's just say all humans die or vanish) the arctic sea-ice still vanishes and so do polar bear, ringed seal, and all fauna adapted to the sea ice. We have already done away with the arctic sea ice. Whether wed are here to see it vanish, or not. --US Navy stated Arctic ocean could be ice-free in the summer in as little as a decade. Enough to become navigable with icebreaker escort for the entire winter for large scale shipping. Soon. Yeah go invest in a Indian Super Icebreaker and plow the way, winter polar shipping! gets large ships around the Suez political roadblock (sea block)-- Again the warming may not reach the 385 ppm dictated equilibrium temperature for 143 years, (Carl Johnson's estimate with a 14o C increase, a value I think is a bit high, and a bit soon. But that pretty well kills off most mammals.) Thanks for your reading of the posting and your comments.