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The irrationality of the rational

posted July 31, 2008 - 1:31pm
The irrationality of the rational

I am amazed of the many responses and comments regarding the defense of the point that God Does not exist because God's existence cannot be proven. The rational is that there is no evidence. Yet, what we consider rational and truthful today, was considered irrational and a fallacy 50 or 100 years ago. Which tells me that 50 years from today, our rationality on which we base our understanding of all things will surely be proven irrational.

Science in general, tends to start looking at other explanations of the complexity of nature and especially life, simply because the previous explanations, considered rational and undeniable are falling short of explaining new discoveries based development of new technologies. We are entering in a realm of measuring the astronomical impossibilities of certain facts, such as the coded information in the DNA, happening by chance or "natural" selection. The beauty, the precision and ultimately the purpose of clear and specific information found in the most elemental particles of living cells is calculated to be virtually impossible without an external and intelligent factor or force.

Of course, God is not mentioned. It would not be "scientific". But we are getting closer and closer to prove that unless an intelligent and purposeful element in the building blocks of life was present and active, life could have never come into existence. The evolution theory is loosing ground with every new scientific discovery in the discipline of microbiology and genetic science.

And all this is, naturally, creating a state of panic in the circles of atheist and evolutionists, who will come out with the most fantastic theories to explain the origin of the Universe and life. They follow a closed minded agenda of disproving anything that would point towards the existence and intervention of an intelligent agent in the creation and sustainment of all things in the Universe.

Science claimed once that the Earth was flat. Science claimed once that the Earth was the center of the Universe. Science claimed once that flight is impossible. Science claimed once that breaking the sound barrier was impossible. Science claimed once that light speed cannot be broken. All these scientific and indisputable claims were once accepted as truth. Yet, they all were proven wrong. It all points out to the logical fact that what we claim today to be true, may one day be proven wrong. And so on. Only closed minded scientists would claim that todays knowledge and understanding of the Universe and life is the truth and everything else is fantasy. Until, of course, they are proven wrong. And that happens pretty much as we speak.

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Equally you oppose,deny and

Equally you oppose,deny and overlook my arguments. The fact that you cannot (or will not) even reference a single article, book or text that scientifically supports your claims about intelligent design tells me that you have been basing your recent comments on false premises. There must be something you have read or know of that illustrates your point better that if I would randomly do a google search for "Intelligent design"? You have no suggested reading for me? What about the revolutionary stuff you were talking about earlier? You say there is nothing you can do to change my mind yet you are desperately trying. By the way, I have never been where the Imam in the local mosque is either and I don't intend to go there.

Martin

No need to waste my time giving you any evidence pointing to Intelligent Design. The Internet is full of articles, essays and other writings that support the theory. Any article or paper that I could mention, would encounter an opposing viewpoint that would take this debate well into the 22 century. The evidence is out there. You either accept it or reject it. In either case, it will not go away. I have debated these issues for many years over the internet, and I know for a fact that it is a neverending process. There is nothing I can do to make you change your mind, and neither it is my intention. You will oppose any reason or explanation, so what's the point? Eventually, somehow, sometime, you will increase your knowledge and understanding and things that today seem irrational may become perfectly rational. I have been where you are now. But you have never been where I am now. But this may change, because I believe in a God to whom nothing is impossible.

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I'm not assuming and I'm not

I'm not assuming and I'm not ill willed. Your article as a whole titled "the irrationality of the rational" suggests that you don't trust the scientific method especially here: "Science claimed once that the Earth was flat. Science claimed once that the Earth was the center of the Universe. Science claimed once that flight is impossible. Science claimed once that breaking the sound barrier was impossible. Science claimed once that light speed cannot be broken. All these scientific and indisputable claims were once accepted as truth. Yet, they all were proven wrong. It all points out to the logical fact that what we claim today to be true, may one day be proven wrong. And so on." But you haven't answered my request. Give me some references or examples from the scientific works you are referring to those new and revolutionary methods that provide more and more evidence for intelligent design. Come on! I'm interested, give me the names of some of the authors or scientists give me references. Is that to much to ask?

contradictions

"Science will never reach the point to actually detect, measure, observe and describe God by mere scientific means" Are you sure abotu this claim? as you said yourself about all the previos mistakes in science: "It all points out to the logical fact that what we claim today to be true, may one day be proven wrong. And so on"

Martin

Never in what I have stated so far I have claimed that I do not trust the scientific method. So your assumption is ill willed and misleading. Science is developing new and revolutionary methods that provide more and more evidence of an intelligent factor behind the existence of all things. Yet, as many in the middle ages have resisted any advance in scientific method and explanations, so are many resisting today any evidence which would place their position in the same level of close minded, medieval state of mind and practice.

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Contradictions

"You couldn't be further from the truth, Science is progressively turning to a view point that there is intelligence and purpose in the existence of all things" Ok, you are making a claim supposedly based in science. Could you be so kind to reference your sources? give some examples? present some scientific theories? It would be appreciated, if anything could convince me it would be science. However even if you are right with regards to this claim you've already stated clearly and concsiely that you personally do not trust the scientific method so where does that leave you? anyway, bring on the science, and please do it without arbitrarly inserting your god as the ntelligence and purpose you are referreing to!!!

Surely I need help! Did you

Surely I need help! Did you read the article i linked to? did you make an effort? Or do you just want to make me look bad? are you trying to insult me? Well, I'm not as easily insulted as you are so Good luck! I will not end this conversation but i have a feeling you will... anyway, "hours" is a man made concept so are "days", they are just descriptive terms and they do not describe time itself they simply describe (as you say) movements of electrons and heavenly bodies. Other than that are you able to tell what time actually is? no? Einstein wasn't sure either and he thought long and hard about this concept with a very able brain.

Martin

You couldn't be further from the truth, Science is progressively turning to a view point that there is intelligence and purpose in the existence of all things. Perhaps if you stop reading frustrated atheist and read some of more advanced and recent reports and documents you would eventually catch up with the reality of the world we live in. But then, there a Spanish say: "No hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver." And I couldn't agree more with Homer Simpson. Is he your other study subject?

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Martin

Nothing can exist without the time dimension. Even a simple electron need a certain amount of time to complete a revolution around the nucleus of an atom. Without time, the electron would collide with the nucleus and the atom would not exist. Earth takes 24 hours to revolve around its axis, and 365 days to revolve around the Sun. If all that is based on an illusion, well... I am sorry my friend, you need help.

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"Science claimed once that

"Science claimed once that the Earth was flat. Science claimed once that the Earth was the center of the Universe. Science claimed once that flight is impossible. Science claimed once that breaking the sound barrier was impossible. Science claimed once that light speed cannot be broken. All these scientific and indisputable claims were once accepted as truth. Yet, they all were proven wrong." and these claims were all proved wrong by?? Hmmm.... SCIENCE?? How does this "argument" work in favor of faith? You're effectively arguing against yourself. Parts of Science was once halfway compatible with the concept of god as well you know but it has developed.. no EVOLVED beyond that by now. (Science itself is an example of somthing complex having evolved from something simple) "it all points out to the logical fact that what we claim today to be true, may one day be proven wrong" I don't deny this statement. However, No reliable empirical evidence ever existed to suggest that the earth was flat. Science like everything else is EVOLVING and it's EVOLVING more away from the concept of god than towards it. I feel it's appropriate to end this comment with a quote by Homer Simpson that loosely describes your way of arguing against the scienctific method. "sometimes the only way you can feel good about yourself is by making someone else look bad. And I'm tired of making other people feel good about themselves" Homer Simpson

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