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The Paradox of Free Will

posted August 29, 2008 - 1:07pm
The Paradox of Free Will

We do not have genuine free will.

There has always been and continues to be a grand debate regarding whether we have or we do not have free will. What is free will? One definition would be, “the ability to do something without any interference, influence or compulsion”. Yet, I have challenged anyone to give a simple manifestation of genuine free will and thus far, nobody has ever been able to give one. The reason is simple: we do not have free will; that is genuine free will. Everything we do is in one way or another influenced by events, feelings, emotions, circumstances, environment, events, etc. All we do is reacting to these factors in the manner in which we deem proper or convenient. Hence, our action or lack thereof is never independent of these factors.

As a Christian, I believe that throughout history, there were only 5 persons who actually had and exercised genuine free will: God the Creator of all things, Lucifer, Adam, Eve and of course, Jesus Christ. Each were or are perfect in all senses, and perfection includes genuine free will, without which they would not be perfect.

Lucifer was perfect in all senses. And his perfection included the ability to have and exercise genuine free will. He did so, but did it in a manner which negated his own perfection, therefore, he lost it. From that moment on, all his actions were and still are motivated and influenced by one desire: to harm and damage God's Creation, mainly, mankind.

Adam and Eve were created perfect and as such, they had within them the ability to exercise genuine free will. They did so, and under the influence of Lucifer (Satan) they made the wrong choice and lost it. From that moment on, their will has been under the influence and power of agents outside of their control. They acquired a sinful nature and all of their will is expressed and experienced within the frame and limitation of their nature.

Only God the Creator and Jesus Christ, His Son have retained genuine free will for the simple reason that they are able and capable to take action without any interference, influence or limitation.

The illusion of free will that we have is obviously inspired and influenced by the presence and works of Satan in the lives of all humans in general, and of the Christians in particular. We simply react to our environment and circumstances over which we have no control whatsoever. Yet, we do know that God is in absolute control of all things in the Universe. And He has a plan for each and every person who ever lived, lives or will live until the time of the Great Judgment. And since His power and control are total, permanent and absolute, we know that his will, will be accomplished to perfection.



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Just 'that You Can't Imagine Something' Doesn't Make It Not So.

An unconditionally open choice, I'll admit you don't have. But you can always 'want anything you can imagine.' That's the definition I'm wageing: "the ability to WANT." But I'm sure you can come up with some semantick there, like, 'whuhl, ya caint REALLY want to hurt yerself!' True; but I didn't say "the ability to make a plan to accomplish"---that may be a gift-of-God, but it's not 'free will.' The way you're defining free will is like saying, 'Democratic paraplegics are living in a corporate dictorship because inability to raise your hand abdicates your rights as a human-being.' You have the right to be wrong! I am retarded, and that is wrong (i.e. I wasn't born that way, so I'm not s`posta be retarded; I was hit by a car!) But--no matter how 'wrong' it is, no matter how 'inappropriate' I have to seem at times, no matter how much 'better my life is than yours'--I am right to continue being retarded, to continue milking as much as I can out of the situation, and to continue to get angry at 'unplanned times.' Woo-hooo! Conversely, I am 'free' to choose NOT to seem retarded, NOT to mooch off the insurance-companies, and NOT to have a temper ... but what fun would THAT be? All That, and Uncle MythMan STILL Thinks You're Awesome!---Big Fan of 2008 Olympics, VegHead, Love, ~Nam Myoho Renge Kyo~ http://is.gd/22wY, Fussin` http://is.gd/1fSs, Ms. Montagne http://is.gd/1fRg, Ms. Li http://is.gd/1fSe -http://is.gd/1fSj Xombie Plan

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No, that is not correct

I wish you would take some time and read and study the Bible, even for mere curiosity if nothing else. You will find that men's view on God's plan is not God's view on His plan. He is God, and we are not. No one can give an answer to the question of, "why, if God is Almighty and can do everything, he doesn't eliminate Satan and his devils, and make this planet a Garden of Eden?". what we can surely state that God is allowing many things to happen for two reasons: to prove His point that man is wicked from birth, and that all things will eventually and utterly work our for the good of those who love Him and trust in Him, for our good and His glory. Satan is a created being, God is not. God always existed and will always exist. Satan was not, then he was. Satan is and then he will not be anymore. Satan can do only that which God allows him to do, like a dog is under a leash, and God holds the end of it. Satan is not almighty, he can only goes as far as the leash allows. I really, honestly wish you could open your mind and allow it to look at things other than through your five senses. Just as you watch a Sci fi movie where space travel is a reality, where other intelligent alien beings exist, where the laws of physics as we know them today are not all there is out there, and indulge your imagination to speculate on how nice it would be if things were like that, imagine the Words of God being just as they claim to be. whatever the human mind can conceive, the human being can achieve. But as humans, we will always be limited, incomplete and more often than not, wrong in our subjective view of our surrounding. Humans can and do change over time, because we are imperfect and incomplete. A perfect and complete, unlimited and eternal being cannot change, because He is in possession of all possible knowledge in the Universe and outside of it, He has unlimited powers and abilities, there is not a single atom in the Universe that escapes His control. And He has a wonderful plan for those who believe in Him and accept Him as who He is. Are you one of them? If not, would you give Him a chance to prove it to you? If not, why not? What do you have to lose? Think about it. To read my posts and articles click here: http://www.xomba.com/xombyte/lmorovan

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Aha so you're referring to

Aha so you're referring to mr.satan.. But god is almighty surely he can handle satan. How can we commit sinful acts in the name of satan when god has already planned our lives and knows what choices we will make? surely he will also know how satan will interfere with these choices since he is almighty and the past present and future is one to him. If everything is predestined it doesn't matter what choices we make because we have already made them and they can't be changed. So if from gods timeless perspective we have made sinful choices (that he planned for us) that means satan is guiding those choices and not god, right? That also means god is not almighty and that satan also has a plan for us and that god an satans plans are interfering with eachother. We can then obviously choose to follow god or satan (if we've heard about them) but it doesn't matter cause jesus died for our sins anyway. Again a paradox, but not of free will itself, but rather the relationship between god satan and free will. But anyway, your conclusion is that we should blame satan for all the pain and misery in the world and atribute all good and positive things to god? is that correct?

You conveniently omit from your comment

that mankind has a common enemy whose only purpose of existence is to make as much damage as possible and then convince us to blame God for them. As you imply. God can only be blamed for one thing: why this world still exists and we within it, given the constant and continuous sinful acts that we commit every day of our lives. And that has an answer: HIS LOVE. And He did what is unimaginable for us, humans, He sent His only Son to die for our sins so that we don't have to be held responsible for them. The perfect world, where there will be no more suffering, no more disease, no more wars, no more poverty, no more pain, no more tears, is at hand to anyone who heeds His call. In the meantime, we will continue to responsibly pay for the disobedience and rebellion against Him. To read my posts and articles click here: http://www.xomba.com/xombyte/lmorovan

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Imorovan

"On the other hand, God has no past and has no future. From everlasting to everlasting, all history and all eternity is a perpetual present before Him" And still you called me mad when I stated that time was an illusion on one of your previous posts. "from God's perspective, that choice is already made" How can you know god so well that you actually know his perspective on things? Is it maybe because ,in reality, it's your perspective on what is God's perspective you're presenting here? "The very fact that all prophecies spoken in the Bible in ancient times were fulfilled to the letter is a hint that everything in mankind history is under His absolute and permanent control" If everything is under gods control that means he is also to blame for all the pain and suffering in this world. Surely he would have done something about this if he is a loving and caring god in total control. I agree that our choices are influenced by many factors and are never entirely independent but what does god have to do with that? why bring him in at all in a debate concerning free will? Does god just know or has he also planned the future of each and every one of us? If he indeed has a plan, then what about all the aborted embryos? did god have a plan for each of them too but wasn't almighty enough to intervene with the free will of the individual that went trought with the abortion for (which he had obviosuly already planned the abortion) and he had to make a change of plans. As you say it's a paradox not on free will but on rather on god and his relation to free will.

jdubhub, there is a issue that few get to notice

God is Almighty, He knows everything and He controls everything. We have not that power. We do not know who will be saved and who will not. Therefore, we have the responsibility to make choices. But our choices are always influenced by one or more factors. They are never independent. However, even before we make a choice, from God's perspective, that choice is already made. It is my belief that we do not have what we generally call present time. Time is a dimension that flows constantly from future to past. Even the moment I click "submit" to this post, which at this moment is still in my future, as soon as I do it, it becomes past. On the other hand, God has no past and has no future. From everlasting to everlasting, all history and all eternity is a perpetual present before Him. The Bible teaches us that, even before we open our mouth to utter a prayer, God knows what we will be praying for. The very fact that all prophecies spoken in the Bible in ancient times were fulfilled to the letter is a hint that everything in mankind history is under His absolute and permanent control. God already knows what you answer will be to this comment, and the reasons you will have to respond are under God's control. I know the reasons unbelievers and even Christians will use to refute my argument: then we are nothing more than robots. But that is far from the truth; robots are machines built to perform a specific function, with little if any influence from the environment or circumstances. Robots have no awareness of their own existence and couldn't care less about the consequences of their programming. I know, this is not an easy concept to grasp, that's why I called the article :The Paradox of Free Will. But looking at the issue in an objective manner, we cannot extract God's Sovereignty and replace it with men's free will, without one negating the other. To read my posts and articles click here: http://www.xomba.com/xombyte/lmorovan

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http://www.xomba.com/xombyte/lmorovan

What is the alternative?

Is the alternative for Free Will, then, predestiny? If so, if some of us are "meant" to go to Heaven and the rest are not, then what is the point of Life if in the end we have no choices to make? DO YOU HAVE THE WRITE STUFF?

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