It is impossible to try and say the right thing to somebody who is suffering from depression. I don't think sanctify me was preaching. I thought she was throwing out a life preserver of some kind to a cry from the abyss. And it was done with empathy as sanctify me could relate. She has been there and is there right now she says though I feel that there was some genuine posing in an attempt to show the person that she is not alone. Just the fact that sanctify me can urge someone on shows her mental well being to be far more healthy at this moment than " tired from the abyss ". Sanctify me has shown the true good of human kindness as she who is hurting reaches out to one in obviously more despair. There is certainly no shame in depression as we all experiance it at times in our life. It is part of the human condition. Of course it's effects vary in different degrees of severity to all people. Thats why I feel it is extremely difficult in saying the right thing unless you've walked in that persons shoes. This is anything but critisizm of sanctify me. I'm just saying that nobody knows the others trip. What got them to this point. What if anything can make them feel better about themselves and their situation. Just the fact that " tired " has posted is a genuine attempt at wanting to get better. That is a good start. In wanting to have a dialogue and in recognizing where their mental health has situated itself. I certainly can't say anything besides the advice that has now become so cliche`. You know, think positive, the glass is half full, seek professional help, never give up, things will get better, it's always darkest before the dawn, exercise. It is all meaningless to a person who feels this way. I do not take the cry from the abyss lightly, and mean not to belittle the situation in any way. In fact, if there is anything I see in " tireds " post to which I feel I can offer my two cents worth, and to apply it's cliche` as well, it would be that the grass is not always greener on the other side. I am no professional, just a person like santify me who can not look the other way after hearing such a cry for help. And I can say try to stop looking at other people and their supposed happiness or even indifference towerd you. Start to concentrate on you and what you enjoy and what you feel makes you special. That may be a start and the only thing I feel I can say from reading your post. I know I did'nt heed my own advice in the fact it would be impossible for me to say anything of value to you as I can never walk in your particular shoes. In the end each of us will choose to hear what we need to and hopefully act properly so as to stop and reverse the slide which is one we have all experianced at one point. Good luck and feel well " tired ".