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Vacant Stare = Sexy?

posted October 24, 2008 - 2:37pm
Vacant Stare = Sexy?

Thought of the day: why is it in mainstream straight porn, the ideal "sexy" look for a woman to have is a vacant stare? You know the one: mostly blank, but with just the slightest tinge of contemptous boredom.

I can't imagine this is what guys really want to see. Okay, maybe SOME guys, submissive types who get off on the idea of a woman who insults them, is bored by them, etc. But other than that, it's been my experience overwhelmingly that straight guys like to be smiled at by women, approved of and enjoyed, to have their jokes laughed at and their person appreciated.

Of course, who doesn't want that? But for some reason, it seems to me that men in this society are placed under enormous amounts of pressure to deny this very basic, very human and healthy desire.

I recently asked my husband my following question: when it comes to casual chatting with the guys about your relationship, what sorts of things are you expected to say to prove how good your relationship is? In other words, what sort of stuff constitutes good, standard "bragging fodder" about your girlfriend?

(Bear in mind: we're talking about social norms and expectations, here, not my feminist husband's actual priorities.)

First and foremost, he said, is the answer to the question, "Is she hot?" Next is usually some variant of "Is she good in bed?" After that...whatever.

"Would you ever talk about how well she treats you?" I asked, "How supportive she is? How much she appreciates and respects you?"

"No. Not unless I'd had a history of bad relationships."

"I imagine that would still only come up if you were having a serious conversation with friends you know and trust really well."

"Yeah."

Interesting. Because if my experiences with other straight women are any indication, the question of "how does he treat you" is the FIRST thing we bring up in bragging rights. The question of "is he hot?" is usually only asked of a stranger we're checking out, and the "good in bed" thing is reserved for drunk, late-night, giggly conversations with your closest girlfriends *eyeroll*.

So for guys, I guess the "ultimate woman" is supposed to be hot (according to societal standards, not personal taste) and good in bed (also, I'd wager, according to societal standards) and...well, that's it, really. She doesn't need to be anything else. In fact, she shouldn't be anything else! Hell, REAL men don't need to be loved or liked or approved of! REAL men get it on with women who can't stand them, women who are doing it for the money or social status or what have you, because REAL men don't connect with women, they dominate them!

Yeah. Beautiful.

Never let it be said that patriarchy is actually good for men. Ug.



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I understand you don't want the Vacant Stare *during conversation*, but I don't watch enough porn-movies to know if there are some that are esteemed for their 'witty repartee.' lol During the 'conversation-type for which porn-movies are famous,' I don't think any of the parties on screen really care about "what the other person is ~thinking~." Anyway, all the emotions that any of them display are typically little-more than 'oars paddling them in the FLOW toward the 'togetherness behind the drawn curtain' ('fruit that looks good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for wisdom; which she takes and she gives to he who is with her'). ---Uncle MythMan & we Xombies Explain Money, Love, God etc. Work w/ Us to Find Yours! WAKE UP! ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..

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Forget about the "vacant stare"

What's really sexy to me is a gorgeous woman with a catatonic expression...or one in a good coma. Man, that really gets me going. Maybe a good challenge turns me on, I dunno. I know I'm probably not gonna score, but at least It won't be my fault and damage my self esteem. :) ↑ Grab this Headline Animator

 
 

But what if you're wrong...

...in your thinking? I'd rather know what you're thinking than guess at it. And I'd prefer a goofy face to a vacant stare. Now, this is just hear'say, but when I see a vacant stare (made even worse if you're mouth-breathing) I tend to think "Wow, there doesn't seem to be much going on upstairs. Initiating a conversation would probably be depressing and a waste of time." Maybe that's just me.... PS. I liked the article. Good post ^_^

Reverse Roles: What Would You Prefer? a Vacant Stare or ...

... or ... whatever OTHER goofy face I can make while checking out your hotness? lol With a vacant stare, I COULD be checking out your hotness or I could be thinking about how much my butt itches; whatever you want me to be concentrating on. I think that's what's so attractive about the 'vacancy': it passes the reins on to the 'watcher' to decide what the stare-er is thinking. Typical men don't like to be 'told' what a woman's thinking so much as they like to 'tell themselves' what she's thinking. Maybe I make the mistake of assuming that women like to do likewise, and that it's their nature to assume that every man has cruel intentions---even if he's telling her good things ... I don't care ... ---Uncle MythMan & we Xombies Explain Money, Love, God etc. Work w/ Us to Find Yours! WAKE UP! ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..

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If "Real" = "Normal," then Sure! but ...

... no one I ever heard of became a Champion by 'being normal.' And no Champion ever truly succeeded without the love of a woman. If the powerful people wanted more 'normals,' they should have given 'Champions' more negative-press. ---Uncle MythMan & we Xombies Enlighten You on Money, Love, God etc. Turn Xombie & Help! & LinkBrander will help you 'feast on the Internet Brains'!

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I agree

Now that you've clarified a few things I actually agree with you.. but I still think it's equally common for women in casual conversation to ask questions like is he good in bed? etc.. that's my experience anyway However, I can't help it I have to let another comedian comment on this issue: WOMEN HAVE NO FEELINGS, Dylan Moran explains why...

Humor? That's where the real truth is!

I agree with everything he's saying! Men ARE put under a tremendous amount of pressure under patriarchy. Most of what the feminist movement has done has been terrific (anyone who says otherwise has a poor understanding of what things used to be like). But some of the ideas that pretend to be "feminism" are actually extremely patriarchal because they're based in the idea that women need to demand things of men because we don't have the power to obtain them for ourselves. It's not men and women living as equals, it's women remaining caught in patriarchy but retaliating against men. The sex stuff Connoly is talking about is a prime example - the idea of women's pleasure being more important than men's isn't fair or right, it's simply a reaction to the longtime belief that women's pleasure didn't matter at all (and was even sinful). But it's hardly right to hold your boyfriend responsible for the sins of his predecessors - you're just perpetuating the antogony between men and women, which is just going to result in backlash later.

"I think what you describe

"I think what you describe is the media relaity wich is very different from actual reality." Yeah. That's my whole point. "Questions like Is HE hot? and is HE good in bed? Is he rich..etc.. are commonplace in superficial female to female conversation as well." I was making a point about which questions are the MOST common and the MOST likely to come up in casual conversations for the two genders, vs. which questions are considered matters for private, well-trusted audiences. There is a difference for men and women, and it means something. "However, I don't read to much into it I accept it, and I certainly don't jump to assumptions about the perfect woman based on small talk..." I'm analyzing possible reasons why the attitude of the "perfect woman" in porn is so different from what I think most guys actually want in a woman. "...and I don't blame it on matriarchy either... I wonder why you do though..." There's no such thing as matriarchy, nor has there ever been. The closest you can ever find are a few societies which have recognized property inheritance along matrilineal lines or some such. You seem to have a fairly average - and inaccurate - understanding of what patriarchy actually is. It's not something that men do to women, or (much of the time) even a system that is good for men. It is a system imposed by societal structures of power (which often sticks around long after said power structures are reduced or eliminated e.g. religious law) upon both men AND women. It is a system which gives men more institutional power, but at a great cost to their happiness and well-being. So when I criticize patriarchy, I am not, shocking as it may sound, criticizing men. In fact, I'm trying to be a men's advocate. Furthermore, questions like "is he rich?" are things I would certainly blame on patriarchy. Women have so long been denied economic equality in earning, so we are encouraged to put pressure on men to provide for us. Patriarchal culture says that it's totally acceptable to put this responsibility on a man's shoulders and to judge him on this criteria.

It's not easy being a man

Just a humorous note: here's what Billy Connolly have to say about womens demands and hardships of being the "ultimate man"

Here's what women want

http://www.datingtrek.com/what-women-want-in-a-man.php here's what women want, apparently, according to this datingsite. I can only speak for myself, but that's exactly the things I would look for in a woman, or any human being that I consider friends. I think what you describe is the media relaity wich is very different from actual reality. I feel no pressure to deny the fact that I like it when a girl smiles at me etc... Every man loves that and their not afraid to say so. But we also have "giggly" conversations like the ones you're describing... That's my experience. Questions like Is HE hot? and is HE good in bed? Is he rich..etc.. are commonplace in superficial female to female conversation as well. However, I don't read to much into it I accept it, and I certainly don't jump to assumptions about the perfect woman based on small talk, and I don't blame it on matriarchy either... I wonder why you do though...

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