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Pushing Kids Into College - We Should Stop Lying to Our Youth Now

posted September 6, 2006 - 10:11am
Pushing Kids Into College - We Should Stop Lying to Our Youth Now

I am sorry to contradict Rush Limbaugh again but I really have to. I say this with some pain because I agree with him mostly but this is the second time I find myself at loggerheads with him. Again it relates to something which he takes a simplistic assumption on. Last week he was railing against a study published by academia that we need to lower the expectations of college students. Rush expended much energy and air time debunking this on the grounds that it was due to “pointy-headed liberal academics wishing to lower society’s expectations”. I have often spoken and written about the subject of college education and its applicability in the current job market.
As I say this I have to qualify my statements that I am a part time academic with several advanced degrees who has seen and currently sees the huge let down my students will face upon graduation solely because they have been sold a bill of goods that once armed with their degrees anything they want will come to them. I am here to tell you all that this is a lie and a cruel one at that. I also must say that I come to this issue with very conservative credentials and the moral authority of a conservative, perhaps even more conservative that Rush himself.
Having said all of that allow me to continue with business at hand. Not only do I see the results of this “cruel lie” today but for nearly 30 years I worked in an occupation wherein I saw lots of college students on their summer jobs. Their fields of study ran the gamut from business, engineering, medicine, law, education, communication, arts, and many more. Almost without exception those energetic kids rarely found jobs (let alone careers) once they graduated within their fields of study. I can say that from what I have witnessed a degree in political science, fine arts, communications, education, liberal arts, English, history, and others will get you a career in Walmart.
The exceptions are almost always those who studied business or engineering whom nearly always find jobs plentiful on those areas. Another big lie is a career in the environment. I knew scores of young people studying this subject in great schools including Cornell and wound up as welfare caseworkers or something. This was the career I had for more than a quarter century and I do not recommend it. In fact, I often get called upon for high school career days and I go way out of my way to drill into the students that it might sound nice to work outdoors with Bambi and butterflies but; 1. The jobs aren’t there. 2. What jobs are there pay very poorly. 3. They are nothing like the idealistic careers guidance counselors and college recruiters tell everyone they are.
In addition to all of this I have to reiterate that too many people go to college and too few are entering the skilled trades. And by the way, many of these young folks I earlier referred to, once being disillusioned by the school of life after graduation for a few years, gravitate to the carpenter’s union apprenticeship program, the US Postal Service, UPS or others. It is a very bitter pill for them to swallow that they wasted their time and their parent’s money with four years in college.
As long as I am on the subject I might as well impart another news flash. College kids should be informed that it does not matter if you are a 4.0 or a 2.0 cumulative student and it makes no difference what honor societies were belonged to because no one ever asks what your grades were or how many honor societies you belonged to in college. With all of my degrees no one has ever asked me that either in an interview or even in idle conversation so kids, don’t worry about all that effluvium.
So contrary to what Rush Limbaugh and college recruiters are telling us, we do have to stop lying to our young people and begin telling them that they have more options besides college and if they do go to college that they had better think longer about what they study. Otherwise they might just as well go down to Shop Rite today and get a jump on their career stocking shelves and get a four year head start on everybody else who will end up there anyway in a short while.



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Thank you Dr. Smith

It is true We moved to Spokane area in 1991, hubby took 5 years of schooling Got his BA in education has renewed his teaching certification twice now and working on a 3rd time. Some of his collegues have gone on to get a Master's and he plans on getting one too. But he is still sub teaching. NO ONE will hire if your considered TOO OLD meaning over 40 and he is near 60 now been trying everywhere to get a full time job added to endorsements, he is very qualified but no one will hire him. Worked with DVR, BTW he is disabled and teaching is the ONLY occupation he is physically able to work in. DVR (Department of vocational rehab) tried and could not help him, nor did Social security ticket to work. eldest son, was in military 6 years, got his BA then got his law degree, passed the bars and still working 4 years later as a paralegal not a full time attorney. Youngest son got double major in journalism and political science, he ended up working in a deli at YOKES. Son in law got his degree in auto mechanics. He is unemployed house dad now and works here and there as able. I can go on and on about many who got Bachelor, Master's and even Doctorate's and most DO NOT have a job in the field they studied and worked so hard in college to obtain. Most are working at Wal-mart, or as a night janitor or in some miniture golf place or shoe store or McDonalds and some are working 2 jobs. It is true very very true. College degrees are not worth much more than toilet paper. It is not what you know, but who you know that gets you the jobs. College is mostly a big money making racket and my husband has school loans he cannot pay, because our income is barely keeping our mortgage paid and utilities and daily living expenses. The law demands he pays, get in line. I will send them a turnip and see how much blood they can squeeze. But that same law will not assure him a job and that same law allows blantant open discrimination. You might ask how we afford the internet. My son helps with the cost and our daughter helps buy us food, I in turn babysit for her. It is family helping family that keeps us all going and afloat. The college experince is a big huge lie and it does not quarantee a job. It does not help pay bills, it does not help with retirement funds or life insurance or anything else. It just takes your money, your time and puts you into debt you cannot afford to pay.

Celanith

Hello everyone, stop and set awhile.

But I'll be sure to cite you

But I'll be sure to cite you if ever I use your words/ideas in an article. (Just not a blog.)

Antonia Dwells

Yo, it ain't "plagerism,"

Yo, it ain't "plagerism," especially since all those phrases are cliches--that is, commonly used idioms (or dead metaphors)--not amazingly fresh language that comes only from you. I was simply examining the language and providing some HUMOR. Dawg.

Antonia Dwells

I never meant to say that in

I never meant to say that in general, college students are stupid, although we are all entitled to be stupid. What I meant was, in several ocassions (people that I know) have put me down because they have a college degree. In particular, this person I worked with, always put me down because she had a college degree. She completely missed the part that in a job "experience" counts a lot. Believe me, education is the most important thing in my life and yes I do plan to go to college and get a degree. I'm glad I read the article, so I won't expect the ultimate treatment with a degree in hand.

Cecilia

Punctuation Is Fun, Too

Antonia, Language is fun. But when quoting someone else's work, either quotation marks or a proper parenthetical citation is required or it becomes -- well, you know as an editor (as I know as an editor)-- plagerism. That's why we need education (just one reason).

Strong reactions. I could

Strong reactions. I could rant but I won't.

I have no College degree at

I have no College degree at all. I went and study accounting at a vocational school because it was cheaper. Yes, I admit it I have my flaws, my run-on sentences, wrong pronunciation of words and even bad spelling. One thing I notice about vocational schools is: It's a hand-on-training process. This is muche better because, you learn to have initiative and how to remove obstacles. Recently I worked next to a college grad, a couple of years older than me and a complete bimbo. If, you didn't tell her what to do, she will just sit and do nothing. She told me, that she had a private tutor for english and she couldn't even write a complete sentence.

Cecilia

true and false

True... you don't need a college degree to get good work, and pay in your chosen field. Look at me and my husband for instance. He makes six figures... and I am not talking 101,000.00 each year. He went to college for 2 years and took what he felt he needed. Myself, I have two degrees, (paralegal degree my parents demanded and Fine Arts BA that I wanted) and I have never felt equipped to work in my choice of fields. Perhaps it is because my focus was split. Perhaps because a Fine Arts field demands a Masters degree. Right now, his earning power is 5 times what mine is. False... you do need a degree to advance in your chosen field. My husband has felt ill equipped to ask for a CIO or any "Chief" positions whatsoever because of the holes in his education. He is currently working as a contractor in his field while earning his degree part time. The solution. I think students should stretch their degree out for at least 6 years instead of four. By doing this you can work part time in your chosen field gaining experience while getting the degree that will help you further your career. If you choose to change your major because you found out that the REAL JOB was far less than glamorous that you thought, you still have plenty of time to switch gears. Another major plus is that you can pay for your education at least in part, instead of finding yourself finally paying off your student loans 12 years later. (I made my final payment last month!) write your plans in pencil and give God the eraser

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Language Is Fun

Suck it up. Roll up your sleeves and get to work. The ladder of success is offered to those with a degree. There are no guarantees in life. You make your way in this world. Get off your high horse. Work your way up. Begin at the bottom and climb.

Antonia Dwells

Snuff Out Education?

Dr. Smith: I am impressed with all your qualifications; and by the caliber of your writing skills, I can see that you are a smart cookie. But, you're wrong. Students who are not motivated to learn more about the world around them, don't choose college to begin with. Students with college potential are those individuals, young or old, whose minds are open to learning, understanding, seeking out information like a quest for the Holy Grail, discovering new paths and avenues of beliefs and philosophies, reaching out to new ways of thinking and exploring the various avenues of knowledge. A true student does not JUST look for a degree as a passport to a given job. Perhaps where you (and counselors, and society in general) go wrong is believing that knowlege can be used only as a path to a "better job". But, look around, and see that people who are never afforded the opportunity to seek out knowledge can't read, can't spell, can't balance their checkbooks, can't appreciate other points of view. They are rock solid in a deep, dark hole and can't hope for better. Is that what you propose for our high school students? If it is, maybe you're in the wrong profession. It is not JUST an education that gets us a good job. It is education PLUS our own ability to compete in this world that moves us along. The mistake young graduates make is the belief that a degree from Cornell or Harvard is a free meal ticket to success. WRONG. The degree is only the FOUNDATION for success -- but, without it, success is unlikely. Once that degree is obtained, many graduates scoff at "entry level" positions in a certain field because they feel too privileged and believe that they deserve better. Well, I say: "Suck it up. Roll up your sleves and get to work. The ladder of success is offered to those with a degree. But, the ability to climb it depends on T-H-E-M." There are no guarantees, and you make your way in this world! It's time for college grads to get off their high horses and work their way up. The answer to success at that point is to begin at the bottom and C-L-I-M-B ... NOT to quelch knowledge and snuff out education. Then, we can only hope for ... nothing.

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