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Who Won The Olympics - The United States or China?

posted August 24, 2008 - 3:16pm
Who Won The Olympics - The United States or China?

The 2008 Beijing Olympic Games is over. Only the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games Closing Ceremony is left. So that leads to the question of which country won the Olympic Games this year. Would that be the United States with the most medals won? The United States won 110 medals. China won 100 medals. Or would that be China as China won the most gold medals? China won 51 gold medals whereas the United States won only 36 gold medals. I would say that the United States won. Wouldn't you want to count the most number of medals won instead of just who won the most gold medals?


Website: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/24/sports/OLYR...


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Fireworks Here

"People in Beijing did not see that effect "live and real," because that portion of the fireworks was NOT real... it was added digitally for TV and didn't exist in the sky above the stadium." ...quoting from the CNN link given "Beijing organizing committee spokesman Wang Wei said. "On the day of the ceremony there were actual footprints of fireworks from the south to the north of the city." I cant see what could be clearer... My writings here My profile here

Idlewild... FIBA members

Idlewild... FIBA members voted 56-13 in 1989 to allow professionals from all countries to play in international competition (which included the Olympics). The argument I was addressing above had to do with the notion that our men's basketball team "didn't always win." The commentor was trying to make the claim that we wanted professional players in the Olympics so that we could be dominant. But the problem is, our Olympic team was already dominant, going 94-1 (I won't count the Munich loss) in the games since we began playing. The only time we didn't win gold was in 1988 when we won bronze (we lost to the Soviet Union, who won the gold). FIBA had already allowed other continents to use professionals, but it didn't do any good because they kept losing to our amateurs. And you're right - by allowing NBA players in the Olympics, it has sparked a new world-wide interest in basketball and has helped boost the level of competition in international play. I don't see how that's a negative. *If you're interested in reading my articles, Click Here.

I'll say it one more time:

I am NOT saying all the fireworks were fake. I am saying that many of the *footprints* fireworks were fake. Those particular fireworks were not actual fireworks that were shot off around the stadium, they were created digitally on a computer. Hence they were not actually occurring, and so they were not real. If something is not real, if it is created and added to make it appear that it is real, then it is fake. I don't think I can be any more clear than that.

Olympic basketball

I believe Publius is correct (at least in part). As I remember from the time, it was FIBA that was pushing to allow professional players to participate in Olympic basketball, while USA Basketball was actually against it, at least initially. FIBA thought (rightly so, it turned out) that having NBA players in the Olympics would boost the visibility and popularity of basketball worldwide on a grand stage. USA Basketball was against the idea at first: they felt that there was no need to include professionals, since the U.S. already had the best basketball players and development system (NCAA basketball).

idle- footprints were real

they did take place. its also mentioned in the article i have given. tho originally i read it in the newspaper at home. My writings here My profile here

Re: fireworks

"were real. They couldnt get the actual effect on TV, so digitalised the footprints. Its done at many such events recorded for TV." I didn't say all the fireworks were faked, just the "footprints" fireworks. If something is digitized instead of real, then by definition it's fake. Yes, such effects are often done, but I think the Olympics should have been honest enough to say that the footprints were a digital dramatization, or to not use them at all. I would have preferred they not do such effects at all, if they're not fireworks that are actually taking place at the Olympic venue.

There is no "scoring" system

There is no "scoring" system for medals won during the Olympics. The only ones that exist are created by people who try to find a "winner" of the games, which is not the intent of the Olympics. But if anyone is going to debate a "winner," then why do they ignore common sense by making the medal count a gold-only competition? It's a stupid argument altogether. Let's do another example: Team A qualifies for ten events and Team B qualifies for the same ten. Team A wins two gold medals and come in dead last in the other eight events. Team B wins one gold and nine silver. According to some of the ignorant people commenting here, Team A is the "winner" of those ten events. Why? Because they had one more gold than Team B even though B had nine silver medals to A's none. If anyone wants to judge competitions that way, it's fine...but don't call it legitimate or practical. It's just sheer stupidity. *If you're interested in reading my articles, Click Here.

fireworks

were real. They couldnt get the actual effect on TV, so digitalised the footprints. Its done at many such events recorded for TV. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/08/12/fake.fireworks.ap/ My writings here My profile here

Scoring

"gold 3 points, silver 2 points and bronze 1 point." Did you make this points system up? It's not used by the IOC or any Olympic body, so I don't see how it has any validity. Anyone can make up any system they want... like 5 points for gold, etc.

Fireworks

"the firework scene was not fake, just a portion of the telecast was digitalised since it would apparently have been dangerous for cameras to track the real firework footprints. So those who saw it in beijing saw it live and real" Hmmm, not sure what you mean... yes, a part of it was digitized, which means it WAS fake: they were not real fireworks explosions but a digital effect designed to create the appearance that certain fireworks were going off. It was created so people would see the effect on TV. People in Beijing did not see that effect "live and real," because that portion of the fireworks was NOT real... it was added digitally for TV and didn't exist in the sky above the stadium.

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